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george squareBy a Newsnet reporter

On Monday the 7th of January the six shortlisted designs for the revamp of Glasgow's George Square will go on show to the public at the Lighthouse, Glasgow and also online on the council's website.

George Square was first laid out as private gardens in the 1780s for the impressive townhouses which lined its east and west sides.

It has been the site of various meetings, protests, celebrations, commemorations and even riots over the years.

The Square is now the heart of Glasgow's city centre and houses the beautiful Italian Renaissance style City Chambers.

However, Glasgow City Council leader, Gordon Matheson, claims that the Square looks "tired" and that it is time to bring back its "lost grandeur" so a £15 million revamp is on the cards.  It is hoped that the first phase of the redevelopment can be completed before the Commonwealth Games in the summer of 2014.

The process so far has not been without controversy since initial consultation found a conflict between the wishes of the public and those of stakeholders.

According to Ipsos Mori, who carried out the initial consultation, the public: "tend to emphasise retaining the Square's traditional feel (including it's statuary) in order to reflect Glasgow's history."

Stakeholders, on the other hand, were found to be: "more supportive of a complete redesign, both to project a more modern, vibrant and creative image of Glasgow and to encourage people into the city centre."

The square's statues seem to be a particular bone of contention.  The square is home to an impressive doric column on which sits a stone carved statue of Sir Walter Scott, the first monument in the world to honour one of our most famous wordsmiths.

Of course Robert Burns is there too, as well as the lesser known poet and journalist, Thomas Campbell.  Also there is Queen Victoria, Sir Robert Peel, Gladstone, James Watt and others. The classical sculptor, Sandy Stoddart has proclaimed the collection of 13 statues to be: "among the finest and most historically important statues to be made in these islands."

The redevelopment now seems certain to involve the removal of these statues from the Square and their 'temporary' relocation to other areas of the city.  It is feared that some of them may not return.

There have been over 80 objections to the plans to remove the statues which means that the final decision will be made by the planning commission on the 14th of February.  The 'Restore George Square' pressure group are not optimistic that there will be any change of heart by policy makers.

There are no plans to move the cenotaph, though ex Lord Provost, Michael Kelly recently wrote in the Scotsman that: "There is no merit in returning most of these statues. Consideration should be given to relocating the Cenotaph, which is on too large a scale for its surroundings.  Outside Glasgow Cathedral would be more reverential and fill another void."

The Restore George Square group highlight that in a recent speech to the State of the City Conference, Gordon Matheson described the statues as "unknown lifeless relics from a bygone era".

They fear that the views of the residents of Glasgow are not being taken into account.  These fears are sparked by what they perceive as a cosy relationship between councillors from all parties on Glasgow City Council together with business and the local media.

They point out that the initial consultation process involved just 42 of Glasgow's ordinary residents and ask "why are our councillors' ideas for George Square so closely aligned to business interests and so out of touch with the citizens of Glasgow?"

Comments  

 
# pmcrek 2013-01-04 08:12
"to project a more modern, vibrant and creative image of Glasgow and to encourage people into the city centre."

One would presume the statues will be replaced with inflatable Ronald MacDonalds and other "vibrant" icons of the modern world?
 
 
# Breeks 2013-01-04 10:15
Isn't the whole point of public statues to insure that "unknown lifeless relics of a bygone era" are known and remembered for their contribution towards forming our society?

If Glasgow, city of culture, wants rid of them, can I perhaps claim them for my home town? I can pretty much guarantee they'd be well appreciated. What on earth is wrong with the people of Glasgow who would let this happen?

There was rage and disgust in Hawick when Borders Council just moved their landmark Horse Monument a few feet off centre stage in the High Street, (and frankly, it really wants put back again because the High St has never been quite the same since).

Our Victorian forefathers had a very good eye for the creation of public space and sense of civic place, and I've yet to be impressed by any modern revamps I've seen anywhere.

I stress however, I am not familiar with Glasgows George Square, so to some extent I'm blind to the problem.
 
 
# KOF 2013-01-04 16:37
Here's a link to the Glasgow Council website about it. The full Ipso Mori report is available at the foot of the page.

www.glasgow.gov.uk/.../
 
 
# cuckooshoe 2013-01-04 23:14
The winning design will fit in with the Queen Street Station, Cathedral Street Entrance revamp

urbanrealm.com/.../...

urbanrealm.com/.../...
 
 
# bobb4you 2013-01-04 17:56
Quoting Breeks:
I've yet to be impressed by any modern revamps I've seen anywhere.



What would impress you and what would your recommendations be? Keep Britain as Victorian as possible?
 
 
# Breeks 2013-01-04 22:39
Ta look at Dundee, where the old town was demolished, docks filled in to make way for the bridge & 1960's shopping centres which looked dated and tired inside 20 years. It's spent millions since trying to redevelop it's waterfront.

The 19th Century was the period when craftsmanship in stonek and iron where at their very best and gave all our towns and cities the gravitas and integrity they still enjoy 200 years later.

I'm not saying we copy the Victorians, but put more craftsmanship and skill into what we build, and build it to last longer than the top coat of paint. Make it distinctly Scottish so when it appears on postcards Scotland looks distinctive and a terrific place to come and see, not just more of the same anonymous non descript modernist pap which looks the same the world over.

Why not have a national collective of ideas and seek to develop a modern bespoke vocabulary in urban design to reflect our Nation's rebirth?
 
 
# cuckooshoe 2013-01-04 19:08
I've read that the revamp of George Square featured in the manifestos of the SNP and Labour. So whoever was going to win control of Glasgow City Council was committed to it. The revamp is also linked to the Buchanan Quarter project which recently got approval from the Scottish Government.. We won't have long to wait to find out what the designs look like. But, when we do i think we might be pleasantly surprised..
 
 
# weegie38 2013-01-04 22:01
George Square could honestly do with having a few of the statues removed. The two imperialist military commanders, Lord Clyde and John Moore, should definitely go, and we could do without the 2 PMs (Peel and Gladstone) as well.

Another problem is the Scott Monument: the problem being why Glasgow has one. Walter Scott had very little connection with the city, yet he is the most prominent statue in the entire place!

The other problem for me is the Cenotaph. Not the fact that there is one - there should always be one IMO - but the sheer size of the thing and its location.
 
 
# forrabest 2013-01-06 00:11
IMO this £15 million should be spent on projects to improve lives of those living in Glasgow and not squandered on unneccesary vanity projects aimed at impressing a few and making lots of money for those who don't need it. What about employnent schemes to renovate empty buildings around the city so that homeless people are not shunted into hotels and b&bs (at huge expense). What about more after school projects in the less affluent areas. What about revamping the council tax scheme. What about urgent road repairs being tackled properly instead of patch-up jobs. The list could go on and on. The appearance of George Square means little in comparison to the real needs of the people of Glasgow, which have been ignored for decades by the council.
 
 
# Ped 2013-01-06 12:40
I have wondered why some of the statues in George Square are there as some had very little to no connection with the City. However, they are there and have been there for quite some time and are not doing anyone any harm. With regards to the Cenotaph, it is in a central location and serves a purpose. I see no need for its removal and to be honest, I didn’t like the last “revamp” of the square so I am not overly keen on the prospect of this one. Looks like a waste of money to me, but then Glasgow Council have always been good at that.
 
 
# The_Healthy_Skeptic 2013-01-08 12:31
none of the links provided by other commen posters, show any of the actual designs and I can not find any published on the city council website as yet
 
 
# cuckooshoe 2013-01-08 20:56
It will be the 14th January when the plans go on public display...

theskinny.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# cuckooshoe 2013-01-09 09:44
The six finalists have been announced this morning..

news.stv.tv/.../...

Not much to go on but 3, 5 and 6 look good on first impressions..
 
 
# cuckooshoe 2013-01-17 21:02
It seems the jury are split....

local.stv.tv/.../...
 
 
# cokynutjoe 2013-01-17 23:52
All of these statues have some connection with the city, that's why they're there. History's history you can't pick n choose which bits you like and which bits you don't.
Sir John Moore's statue was the first in the square, he was born a few hundred yards away.
If the square's as big a mess as Matheson says it is, it's Labour councillors who are responsible. Their record is not an impressive one, the Clyde walkway in front of St Andrew's church is a mess, the promised remake of the Briggait scandal and the cash squandered on the Fishmarket double refurbishment don't inspire any confidence in this crew in the City Chambers.
 
 
# manxbhoy 2013-01-18 01:32
alas, if the reported rumours are confirmed as true mr mathieston will find himself out of a job within days.
therefore this redevelopment may be cancelled at the design stage.
 

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