By G.A.Ponsonby
 
Justice Secretary Kenny McAskill has today called on Unionists to spell out what new powers they propose to offer the people of Scotland as an alternative to independence.
 
Speaking on the Politics Show Scotland, Mr McAskill said that Scots would not “buy a pig in a poke” from the anti-independence parties and added: “we need to have spelled out by them what powers they propose to give to Scotland”.

The Scottish Justice Minister was responding to an interview by former Labour Minister Alistair Darling who had earlier conceded that the status quo was unsatisfactory.

“I don’t think anybody would argue that the status quo, what we have at the moment, is satisfactory.  It was fine in 1998, things have moved on, the constitution is always something you need to look at and see what’s best.” Mr Darling said.

However the Labour MP backed the stance of Tory PM David Cameron by insisting that Scots needed to say yes or no to independence before any possibility of further powers could be considered.

Mr MacAskill accused Labour politicians of “supporting the Tories” at a time when vulnerable people were facing cuts to their benefits. 

He also questioned Unionist commitment to new powers for Scotland given that current legislation going through Westminster will see some powers taken back by London.

“Equally they have got to explain why, when they have a Scotland Bill going through Parliament south of the border at the present moment they are seeking to take powers away from Scotland.” he said.

Negotiations

Questioned on how the Scottish Government would deal with negotiations with London in the event of a Yes vote in the independence referendum, Mr MacAskill said that the SNP would enter talks in a spirit of “willingness and co-operation” in order to ensure a seamless transition to independence.

“There are maybe some matters that may have to be entered into negotiation with Westminster but we would go into that in a spirit of willingness and co-operation and I think it’s accepted that is how Westminster would engage.

“It would be in the interests of everybody to make sure we had as seamless a matter as possible, and there are aspects as I say where we would return to the people of Scotland" he said.

However, on being pressed on this by Isabel Fraser who asked if this meant a further referendum, Mr MacAskill said no and suggested that it was likely that amicable negotiations would ensue.

Mr MacAskill also defended the referendum timetable claiming that it was the only possible workable date that allowed a full a frank debate that would allow both side to fully explain their constitutional position.

Speaking earlier on the same programme, Lib Dem Secretary of State for Scotland Michael Moore confirmed more powers were indeed being contemplated by the anti-independence camp and called on both sides to define their respective proposals.

“It’s not just about us setting out what the alternative will be, I think that the important thing is that there can be further devolution that’s a great step for us to be contemplating.

“But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like and what all the different issues around the currency and defence would be as well.”

A spokesman for Mr MacAskill later confirmed that only one referendum was needed for independence: “As Mr MacAskill made clear, only one referendum is needed to secure independence, and that principle is now widely accepted.  We are asking the anti-independence parties to do exactly as we are, which is to outline the detail of what is on offer so the people can debate that detail.

“We are doing that through our ongoing consultation on the referendum and in the White Paper we will publish ahead of the Referendum Bill. Following independence, people will of course still have the chance to have their say in Scottish Parliament elections.”

Comments  

 
# Jim1320 2012-02-19 16:38
“But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like and what all the different issues around the currency and defence would be as well.”

I think the pro-independence stall is a lot clearer than the anti-independence one and we are only one month into a 30 month campaign.
 
 
# Didnaeken 2012-02-19 18:56
“But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like

I could also ask the same question if Scotland remained under UK parliament. Could they give an answer? I am more concerned now about the future of Scotland remaining than going Independent. Don't trust them one bit.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-02-19 16:41
One question.
Why do they want Scotland to remain in the UK,when earlier this week,the Prime Minister told us we are viable as an independent country.?
All talk of "Stronger together" etc.is simply untrue.
Divide and Rule all over again.
 
 
# jafurn 2012-02-19 16:56
“I don’t think anybody would argue that the status quo, what we have at the moment, is satisfactory. It was fine in 1998, things have moved on, the constitution is always something you need to look at and see what’s best.” Mr Darling said.

So if he says that and still insists on only a straight forward question i.e.

YES = Independence
NO = Status Quo

Then I can only assume he is advising people who do not support the status quo to vote for Independence.
 
 
# Alan 2012-02-19 17:01
My friend Google helped me find this in about 30 seconds www.scotlandforward.net/ The SNP at least have a glossy brochure. Anybody know what the unionists have?
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2012-02-20 10:18
Sore heads Alan ?

They certainly don't have tongues connected to brains, eg. Camerons "On the table" proposition last week, Darling and Moore at the weekend.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-02-19 17:01
But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like

It would look like the Scottish people wanted it to look like. That's the point of independence. It isn't a set of policies, it's a decision about who decides on a set of policies.
 
 
# clootie 2012-02-19 17:12
Unfotunately we did buy a pig in a poke once before and we should accept that it did work and we did fall for it.

The people of Scotland should not be ashamed of being duped once as it was the government giving the assurance. However to fall for it a second time we would have to accept the full responsibility for that choice.

I cannot believe we have all these nations around the world and we need to explain what Independence means. It is clear to everyone except a few unionist politicians.

It is getting more and more obvious they cannot come up with a positive case for Scotland (the one for the UK staying together is easy-they need Scotland!)

So will we fall for it once again?
As Hazel puts it - will we settle for maybe, could be jam tomorrow.

Ask those in Quebec about the rule changes to make sure they never get the opportuniy to vote again on Independence. The unionist will never give us a second chance.
 
 
# nchanter 2012-02-19 17:41
Quoting clootie:
Unfotunately we did buy a pig in a poke once before and we should accept that it did work and we did fall for it.

The people of Scotland should not be ashamed of being duped once as it was the government giving the assurance. However to fall for it a second time we would have to accept the full responsibility for that choice.

I cannot believe we have all these nations around the world and we need to explain what Independence means. It is clear to everyone except a few unionist politicians.

It is getting more and more obvious they cannot come up with a positive case for Scotland (the one for the UK staying together is easy-they need Scotland!)

So will we fall for it once again?
As Hazel puts it - will we settle for maybe, could be jam tomorrow.

Ask those in Quebec about the rule changes to make sure they never get the opportuniy to vote again on Independence. The unionist will never give us a second chance.

FYI. The lawyers for the native Canadians were waiting in the wings for when the vote went for independence, they were ready to challenge for ownership rights scared the bejasus out of the FLQ.
 
 
# jafurn 2012-02-19 17:16
I guess they must think we are foolish.....like this

www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# alicmurray 2012-02-19 17:20
Darling is doing the believe me I'm Scottish version of Flashman Cameron. Does he think that we have not noticed that Labour, Tory and LibDem unelected peers are decimating the already Really Useless Scotland Bill as we speak. They are trying even to get back the rights of the Antarctic and they think we will trust them. I would not believe any unionist MP if they said that tomorrow was Monday without checking first.
 
 
# Electric Hermit 2012-02-19 17:24
Quote:
But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like and what all the different issues around the currency and defence would be as well.
- Michael Moore

Independence is not about what kind of country Scotland is. It is about who gets to decide what kind of country Scotland is. Moore and his ilk wants Westminster to decide. I say that power belongs in the hands of the people of Scotland.
 
 
# hiorta 2012-02-19 17:46
Westminster have repeatedly shown that they cannot be trusted in their dealings with us. Whether in financial, military or political matters, they cannot resist trying it on in saying one thing but doing another.

Westminsters' big (unspeakable) difficulty is that they cannot bear to be seen as pygmies on the world stage and will say and do anything to avoid it.

Without our wealth and facilities they are nobodies. Say goodbye to them.
 
 
# Electric Hermit 2012-02-19 17:26
To paraphrase Winnie Ewing, I'd advise the people of Scotland to trust themselves, not Mr Moore.

Winnie Ewing warns against being cheated again | Scottish National Party: snp.org/.../...
 
 
# sneckedagain 2012-02-19 17:34
O/T but interesting from Tory Hoose.
I'm not sure Ruth Davidson being seen with David Cameron or David Cameron being seen with Ruth Davidson is the more damaging to either of them

Latest Poll
How would you best describe Ruth Davidson's leadership of the Scottish Conservatives?

Wooden Spoon (67%, 104 Votes)Vanilla (18%, 28 Votes)'Irn' Lady (15%, 24 Votes)Total Voters: 156
 
 
# DonaldMhor 2012-02-19 17:45
Darlings position is as untenable as that of Cameron and Moores, they really do think that our heads button up the back. What they want us to do is vote for:

1) YES...Independence... which despite their feigned attempt at not knowing what it means, has been well understood by generations of Scots and any one who can use a dictionary.


2) NO...Vote against independence and accept an undefined, unquantified promise of better devolution from the anti Independence parties. As Isobel Fraser correctly asked, can you imagine going back to Westminster to say, "OK we rejected independence, what are you offering." Imagine the humiliation and scorn that would be poured on the heads of Scots then. It would make the present ordure look desirable. Scotland would become an international laughing stock for all time to come. London would subject us to total domination. I would not trust one of these anti Independence politicians as far as I could throw them.

For the first time in 304 years we are to be asked if we want this Union, the answer must be a resounding NO.
 
 
# Exile 2012-02-19 18:36
Which, of course, means a resounding YES in the referendum.
 
 
# DonaldMhor 2012-02-19 19:25
Quoting Exile:
Which, of course, means a resounding YES in the referendum.



VOT IS ZE QUESTION!



HAUD ME BACK!
 
 
# J Wil 2012-02-19 19:07
Darling had to repeat his position umpteen times during a 5 minute interview and he was still unconvincing.

I remember Andy Kerr had a favourite saying about snake oil salesmen.
 
 
# gus1940 2012-02-19 17:46
Magic Beans, Magic Beans - who will buy my Magic Beans and win a Mystery Prize?
 
 
# alasdairmac 2012-02-20 11:24
Love it. needs to be seen under photies of Cameron,Moore and Darling up on the billboards.
 
 
# Mac 2012-02-19 18:06
I think we are still looking at a TWO QUESTION referendum.

1. Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?

2. Do you agree that the Scottish Parliament should collect all the taxes raised in Scotland?
 
 
# bringiton 2012-02-19 18:22
Would that include Extra Regio Territories?
 
 
# DonaldMhor 2012-02-19 19:29
Quoting Mac:
I think we are still looking at a TWO QUESTION referendum.

1. Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?

2. Do you agree that the Scottish Parliament should collect all the taxes raised in Scotland?



Call their bluff tomorrow.


One question and do it this year!

"Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country." will do me fine.

Tell them to jam their jam tomorrow.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-19 18:13
Quote:
“But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like and what all the different issues around the currency and defence would be as well.”


Erm.....INDEPENDENT!

Currency would.......BE UNCHANGED!

Defence would.....NOT PARTAKE IN ILLEGAL WARS!

Oh, and by the way we're KEEPING Rockall and the 660,000 miles of Antarctica we currently own. Thanks for the Antarctic gift Tony! HEE! HEE! HEE!

www.scottishtimes.org/.../
 
 
# Marian 2012-02-19 18:15
It is abundantly clear now that Cameron, Moore and Darling think that they can see off the YES vote for independence in the same way Cameron saw off the referendum YES vote for changing the Westminster voting system to PR.

They think they can use the full power of the media controlled by the Westminster establishment to rubbish the idea of Scots independence and also con Scots voters into thinking that there will be jam tomorrow if they throw away their last ever voting opportunity to fully break out from the economic and social straitjacket that Scotland has been held in by Westminster for 300 years.

This is what the independence movement is up against and so the SNP had better raise its game substantially on the media PR front if it is to have any chance at all of gaining a majority of Scots to vote YES at the referendum in 2014.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-02-19 21:44
Quoting Marian:
changing the Westminster voting system to PR.


I think you mean AV
 
 
# Wave Machine 2012-02-19 18:21
Can someone please clarify something for me, please.

There is endless talk about full tax raising powers etc, in the woolly proposals for further devolved powers, but what exactly does this mean?

In short, would these include ALL revenues from oil, gas and renewables and anything else that comes out of the seabed in Scottish waters?

If this is a YES, then that's a tasty proposal for the fence sitters methinks.
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-02-19 19:29
I think you have described what people would like it to be but what will eventually be offered is very likely to be far short of that. No oil revenues for a start.
 
 
# amfraeembro 2012-02-19 19:43
What they have in mind is probably some sort of income tax arrangement which would make little net difference, but keep all the important stuff like trident, oil, bombing people around the world to steal their resources, snouts in the trough, etc.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-02-19 19:59
Hi Wave Machine the things you mention are a tasty proposal for fence sitters only in the sense that they are pie in the sky.

Westminster would neverconcede oil revenues to a devolved Scotland or the other things you mention either.

Their mysterious hints of "more powers" if they were ever delivered would probably be more tinkering with Calman at best. Their real haste would be to fix the Scottish Parliament so that the outrage of an SNP majority could never happen again.
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2012-02-20 10:28
Hi Wave Machine,
I think you can see from the replies you have that thinking people would also like clarification as well. Don't hold your breath waiting for answers from Whitehall or Westminster though.

I had the distinct impression that Darling was referring to current Scottish Government tax varying powers, i.e. status quo, as his big idea to save the moribund Union.
 
 
# call me dave 2012-02-19 18:21
The unionist's of all political colours don't have a common script prepared which lets them miss all the pitfalls.
They stupidly go on the radio and TV with their own version of what 'they think' maintaining the union means and what 'they personally' would see as a deal.

Darling; Ruthless; Cameron & Moore etal have all dropped verbal clangers in the last month by letting their particular cat out the bag.

They have amateurishly muttered their metaphoric 'big stick' away to a tickling feather. They are so ill-prepared that they have made the union case a whimpered plea to 'please don't go'.

Her majesty will not be amused that these plonkers are in charge of saving the union.

'The First Eck's' ears and eyes must have popped in disbelief that in the last couple of days the scary union monster has been reduced to a spluttering, farting balloon releasing it's supply of hot air as it skitters across the political debate into a darkened room!

I'm getting worried that when they see what they have done other methods will be applied!
 
 
# Exile 2012-02-19 18:39
I don't auppose 'Her Majesty' will care one way or another, given that her position is not under threat. But, on a pedantic point, shouldn't she be referred to as 'Her Grace' in Scotland for as long as she is Queen of Scots?
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-19 22:25
Quote:
The unionist's of all political colours don't have a common script prepared which lets them miss all the pitfalls.


Maybe they are all waiting to "borrow" Johann Lamont's script writer. :D
 
 
# exel 2012-02-19 18:27
Jiggsbro 2012-02-19 16:01
“But the SNP have failed so far to spell out what an independent Scotland would look like.”

Agree!. And they do not intend spelling it out anytime soon either

“It would look like the Scottish people wanted it to look like. That's the point of independence. It isn't a set of policies, it's a decision about who decides on a set of policies.”

What a load of “Tosh”. I agree with “Mr. MacAsk All” “The Scots won’t buy a-pig-in-a poke, no matter how tightly wrapped up in fairy story wrappers it is.

As you say J, “it is a decision” and to decide we Scots need all the information put before us, not just from the unionists but the nationalists also. Long before we buy the “poke”
 
 
# Exile 2012-02-19 18:40
Huh?
 
 
# Electric Hermit 2012-02-19 18:44
Maybe if you were to state as clearly as you are able what it is that is confusing you somebody might be able to help.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-02-19 19:03
The SNP have wisely been keeping their powder dry until the right time because they know that everything they say will be attacked by the press whether it has merit or not. Now it is the Union case that is creaking. Nothing to support it and only vague, unsubstantiated promises about what Scotland might expect to get from the Union in the future.

Labour have made false promises in the past and the Tories too. Now their deviousness is coming back to haunt them.
 
 
# Aplinal 2012-02-19 19:38
The SNP are campaigning for full Independence. What don't you understand about that? It means that EVERYTHING in Scotland stays in Scotland, All taxes, revenues, corporation taxes, VAT etc. It means the Scottish government ALONE decides how to spend that revenue.

FFS, it's not rocket science.

Since WWII over 70 counties have become Independent, their citizens did not find the concept hard, and NONE have asked to go back under the rule of their former 'masters'.
 
 
# lumilumi 2012-02-19 21:39
No, I would not want my country to be not independent.

At least now we can blame our stupid, inept politicians for everything. But no-one thinks that we'd be better off as part of Sweden or Russia.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-02-19 20:21
Quoting exel:
Agree!. And they do not intend spelling it out anytime soon either


They've already set out answers to most of the questions about how they would want an independent Scotland to be. Try www.scotlandforward.net/ Or keep ignoring the answers. Whichever works best for you.

Quoting exel:
What a load of “Tosh”.


'Tosh'? The idea that an independent Scotland would elect the government it chose and that government would shape the country in the way the people chose is 'tosh'? What do think is going to happen if that's 'tosh'?



Quoting exel:
As you say J, “it is a decision” and to decide we Scots need all the information put before us


You have all the information: under independence, you'll be able to vote for a Scottish government just as you do now, except that there will be no matters reserved to Westminster. You'll be able to make a democratic decision just as you do now. What government you get will depend on the democratic will of the people of Scotland. There's nothing else to know. Independence is the right to choose your own government, not a package of policies.
 
 
# farrochie 2012-02-19 20:33
exel.
Have you read the booklet "Your Scotland Your Future"?
It provides the basics of:-

Economy
Health
Education
Justice
Transport
Welfare, Pensions
Finance
Business
Energy
Security and defence
International Affairs incl Europe
Broadcasting
 
 
# rhymer 2012-02-19 22:39
Exel
Probably roughly the same as before BUT with more revenue aimed at job creation, infrastructure, social services and the NHS.
And no moronic house of lords idiots or WMD.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-19 18:28
O/T but is of serious consideration methinks.

www.presstv.ir/.../227514.html

Will this be included as part of the "jam tomorrow" promise I Wonder?
 
 
# clootie 2012-02-19 18:53
Ab1320

Don't you trust them! They are only looking after you. All you have to do is stop thinking and follow the glorious path to Jam tomorrow.

Spooks - They don't trust each other so why should we trust them?
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-19 19:11
clotie, I'll only trust them if it is indeed STRAWBERRY jam that they deliver.:D

As far as spooks are concerned.... I hate ghosts! :D
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-02-19 19:30
Eh, I don't like strawberry jam. Could we have a referendum on the flavour?
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-19 23:18
Would that be a one or two question referendum Ledger? :D
 
 
# J Wil 2012-02-19 20:39
They just keep pushing the boundaries and it is time that they were stopped.

The capture of personal information can be subject to all sorts of abuse whatever their motivation.

My answer would be to pull out of my contract with my service provider and deprive them of their revenue. There would be an immediate reaction from these companies that would ensure that the authorities binned their idea. Also if the internet ground to a halt it would be a blow to the economy as many businesses would not be able to operate.

Is this another legacy of the union and, under independence, could the Scottish government stop this happeneing in Scotland?

There also ssems to be a human rights issue. Invasion of privacy.
 
 
# Exile 2012-02-19 18:42
I'm actually worried by this latest Unionist wheeze. It could just unsettle enough waverers to scupper the YES vote. It needs to be ruthlessly confronted and exposed for the disingenuous rubbish it is.
 
 
# From The Suburbs 2012-02-19 18:49
Quoting Alan:
My friend Google helped me find this in about 30 seconds www.scotlandforward.net/ The SNP at least have a glossy brochure. Anybody know what the unionists have?


The Anti Scottish independence London dependency parties are telling porkies as usual the Scottish Government published Your Scotland Your Voice as early as November 2009 www.scotland.gov.uk/.../0
 
 
# From The Suburbs 2012-02-19 18:56
Marian

I am sure the SNP has a carefully worked out plan... it is a marathon not a sprint.

Let the Unionists rush out all their scaremongering but Cameron Darling etc have scored an own goal by promising a Mystery Prize if we tim'rous Scots vote No.

Is Alastair Darling Cameron the 21st century version of Alex Douglas Home?
 
 
# mato21 2012-02-19 19:25
Dear Mr Cameron,we hear what you say
You're happy to take,if we're willing to pay
But we have our ideas,they're much better than yours
So tread your own path,for we're off down oors
Now soon we'll be gone,and leaving behind
A life that's been hard,not joyous,nor kind
As you strut round the world, stirring everyones pot
You're happy for the haves,to forget the have nots
Well that's not our mindset, we want fairness for all
We may trip on our journey, we might falter, or fall
But the baton will be picked up, by those coming behind
Our life will improve, be more just and more kind
A wee country like ours doesn't need nor want strife
We don't want our young killed, or trained to take life
We've no need for your wars, being fought in our name
No more do we want our heads bowed in shame
We've got folk, who are willing to care for our old
We've got water for all, and we don't want it sold
With the wind and the tide, you'll see our lights shine
No more will it be, what's yours is now mine
Our main riches are people,young, vibrant and strong
Who will look back and wonder. what took us so long
The naysayers and doom mongers, have had their last chance
The wallflowers will be left,while we sing and we dance
So with fire in our bellies and a light in our een
We'll march forward to victory in 2014
 
 
# jafurn 2012-02-19 19:33
Excellent I can hear that sung to the tune of 'The River Clyde'
 
 
# robbie 2012-02-19 19:34
Nice one.

I read it with the tune of Auld Lang Syne ringing in my ears.

Slange Var.
 
 
# Arbroath1320 2012-02-19 23:20
Excellent mato!
 
 
# mato21 2012-02-19 23:35
Thank you I didn't think of it as a song but will give your ideas a try Maybe need a bit of refinement
 
 
# mudfries 2012-02-19 19:42
I'm fed up watching Unionist politicians do their "We need answers" routine on the TV, they have had plenty of answers about independence but they just dont want to listen! how can you teach people who refuse to learn?
 
 
# jafurn 2012-02-19 20:02
Yes but you try getting THEM to answer a question..


For anyone requiring answers may I suggest....

newsnetscotland.com/.../...
 
 
# lumilumi 2012-02-19 20:16
This is such an impotant thing, and the SNP cannot afford to put a foot wrong. Every little thing will be ruthlessly exposed and exploited. SLabs' misdemeanours, corruption, selfish grabs won't be exposed by MSM, and Labour hope it'll be out of the public eye and public scrutiny.

Apparently YES is now around 40%
 
 
# Ard Righ 2012-02-19 22:43
Groan

Declare independence and lets get on with rebuilding our carcass of a country.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-02-19 23:06
Carcass? Scotland has a lovely body, and I'm very fond of it!
 
 
# Haver 2012-02-19 23:15
Quote:
It would be in the interests of everybody to make sure we had as seamless a matter as possible, and there are aspects as I say where we would return to the people of Scotland


What exactly did Kenny McAskill mean by "there are aspects as I say where we would return to the people of Scotland"?

I thought he gave a great interview right up until that point, where he seemed to panic a bit.

Surely what he should have said, was that if Westminster refused any of the fundamentals of independence, then the Scottish Parliament would invoke European Law? Or did he just not want to appear so heavy-handed with so many months of campaigning ahead?

Although I do appreciate the clarity with which the SNP have articulated their argument for independence in general, I think they would do themselves (and us) a favour by taking a decisive stance here.

I was under the impression that despite Westminster's tenuous claims to the contrary (illegal referendums and so on), given a majority YES vote, they would have no choice but to allow Scotland's independence?

And that negotiations concerning for example the share of North Sea Oil, would be decided by the Geneva Convention, as oppose to 'how generous London is feeling'?

So rather than any matters of disagreement being returned to the Scottish people, wouldn't they instead be taken to Strasburg or Brussels or wherever?
 
 
# exel 2012-02-20 00:22
Electric Hermit 2012-02-19 17:44
“Maybe if you were to state as clearly as you are able what it is that is confusing you somebody might be able to help.”

I am not confused about the “pig in a poke” opening gambit.

But Mr. MacAskals “pig in the poke” answer to Isabels question on: "how the Scottish Government would deal with negotiations with London in the event of a Yes vote in the independence referendum?"

Did

Mr MacAskill said “the SNP would enter talks in a spirit of “willingness and co-operation” in order to ensure a seamless transition to independence.”
“There are maybe some matters that may have to be entered into negotiation with Westminster but we would go into that in a spirit of willingness and co-operation and I think it’s accepted that is how Westminster would engage.”
“It would be in the interests of everybody to make sure we had as seamless a matter as possible, and there are aspects as I say where we would return to the people of Scotland" he said.”

I was confused by that little gem Perhaps you can help explain that?

Isabel Fraser was certainly as confused as I was.
 
 
# exel 2012-02-20 00:30
farrochie 2012-02-19 19:33
exel.
Have you read the booklet "Your Scotland Your Future"?
It provides the basics of:-

Economy
Health
Education
Justice
Transport
Welfare, Pensions
Finance
Business
Energy
Security and defence
International Affairs incl Europe
Broadcasting

farrochie 2012-02-19 19:33
exel.
Have you read the booklet "Your Scotland Your Future"?
It provides the basics of:-

Economy
Health
Education
Justice
Transport
Welfare, Pensions
Finance
Business
Energy
Security and defence
International Affairs incl Europe
Broadcasting

No I have not received one yet, have you? I thought they were still consulting.
 
 
# Aplinal 2012-02-20 10:05
Link www.scotlandforward.net/

This is the SNP position on the future, it is separate to the consultation document.
 
 
# exel 2012-02-20 12:35
"Aplinal 2012-02-20 09:05
This is the SNP position on the future, it is separate to the consultation document."

Oh! I see a kind of manifesto for independence? So what is the purpose of the consultation?
 
 
# Aplinal 2012-02-20 14:07
Quote:
So what is the purpose of the consultation?


To take the widest view possible. It's the way that democratic governance is supposed to work, isn't it? I hold an opinion on something, and I issue my thoughts. In a broad consultation with others, I might find that there are arguments that make me rethink, or amend/adapt my previous position.

I realise this is rather novel for the Westminster governments, but I quite like the idea of involvement of others, particularly in such an important referendum.
 
 
# ButeHouse 2012-02-20 01:03
The interesting fact which emerged from the Politics Show is that both Angus Mcleod and Alex Massie think the choice is now between Independence and Devo Max.

YES or no to Independence is now YES or Yes to Independence or Devo Max. VOTE YES
 
 
# Marga B 2012-02-20 11:23
O/T in the meantime:

Press excluded from Cameron's visit to Newscastle hospital.

eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/.../...

These are the people who are ultimately responsible for Scotland, and the press are not allowed to/are scared to/prefer not to report what is happening.

I think anyone relyiig on their promises would be very foolish.
 
 
# rhymer 2012-02-20 12:53
When he said more powers for the cheese-makers.
He might have meant all workers in the dairy products industry.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-02-20 13:06
"Scots won’t buy a ‘pig in a poke’ says MacAskill"

We already have too many pigs in pokes. Many of them are in the House of Lords. People who are well past their sell by date, but still want to dictate to the people of Scotland how their country should be run. No respect!

Foulkes tries to defend the system because, 'that is the way it is at the moment', but if he feels that is a bad system, which seems to be the corollary to his argument, then, on principle, there is nothing to stop him and others from avoiding any interference with the Scotland Bil. They are not compelled to do what they are doing.
 

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