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By a Newsnet reporter
 
The campaign to secure a Yes vote in the independence referendum kicks off this week when politicians, famous artists and ordinary Scots gather together at the official launch.
 
Entitled ‘Yes Scotland’, the campaign will be unveiled in Edinburgh this coming Friday, 25th May, at the Cineworld complex in Fountainbridge.

The official invitation describes how “Scots from all walks of life will join some of our leading stars and community and political figures” to sign a “Yes Declaration” setting out why being independent offers the best future for Scotland.

Organisers claim it is “the start of the biggest community based campaign in Scotland’s history, designed to build a groundswell of support for an independent Scotland ahead of the 2014 referendum” and have promised an "exciting" and "transformational" vision of an independent Scotland.

Several of Scotland’s most famous artists have been linked to the campaign and there is speculation that Sir Sean Connery may join a list that includes Holywood actors Alan Cumming and Brian Cox.  Other well-known personalities expected to be present include the actress Elaine C Smith and Coatbridge based comic-book writer, Mark Millar.

The launch will also see the unveiling of the official ‘Yes Scotland’ campaign website as well as the official anthem believed to have been written by ‘Caledonia’ writer Dougie McLean.

The Yes campaign will lean heavily on the positivity of the SNP’s Holyrood election campaign that saw the party achieve an unprecedented majority win in a system designed to prevent them from ever doing so.  The campaign will have cross party involvement with the Greens and the Scottish Socialists joining up with the SNP.

One of the main tactics of the Yes campaign is expected to see strategic unveiling of high profile converts to independence.  Strategists believe that this may prompt the twenty per cent of people who are currently undecided, but open minded, to opt for yes.

Expected to feature prominently will be the economy, and the Yes campaign team know they have to battle the incessant negativity from the anti-independence No campaign, which itself is expected to launch next month.

'Vision versus scares' will be a constant theme and the Yes campaign will see Angus Robertson, who helped combat Labour negativity in securing the SNP’s Holyrood election victory, play a key role.

Commenting ahead of the ‘Yes Scotland’ campaign launch on Friday, Mr Robertson said:

“These are exciting times for Scotland as we work to build a better nation.  The Yes Scotland campaign will be about the people of Scotland, and how being independent can make life better for families and individuals across our country.

“It will be the biggest community-based campaign in our history and will take the case for Scotland being independent into every community across our country.

“Yes Scotland stands in stark contrast to the anti-independence parties' emerging No campaign, which we are led to believe will put the politicians front and centre.

“The people of Scotland are open to voting yes as never before and that is a great starting point for the Yes Campaign.  This campaign will be about the positive benefits of being independent, enabling us to build a Scotland that will be fairer and more prosperous than today.”

Unionist politicians responded by attacking the SNP’s referendum plans. 

Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont claimed that the ‘delay’ in holding the referendum was “self indulgent” and that the independence debate was a distraction.  Claiming that most Scots had already made up their minds she added: “This is a self-indulgence we can ill afford.  While the rest of Europe debates how we get back from the brink of the possible collapse of the euro, Scotland, by Alex Salmond’s dictat, stares at our own navel.”

Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw described the campaign as a “Braveheart cry for 'Yes' to separation” and claimed that the SNP have “repeatedly answered 'No' when asked fundamental questions as to what a separate Scotland would look like."

Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie insisted that there needed to be a decisive question on the ballot paper and said:  "If he [Salmond] wants to win fairly he should agree to a cross-party committee to set the question."

Responding to Mr Rennie, Mr Robertson added:

"It is right that the question is agreed by the Scottish Parliament.  That is the proper forum for this decision."

Comments  

 
# Mad Jock McMad 2012-05-20 10:08
Yawn ..... just what have the three stooges to offer Scotland apart from more of the same?

I notice Jackson Carlaw is now making the majority of Tory announcements and not Ruth ... clearly she can not be trusted ....
 
 
# CyBOS 2012-05-20 10:25
Quoting Mad Jock McMad:
Yawn ..... just what have the three stooges to offer Scotland apart from more of the same?

I notice Jackson Carlaw is now making the majority of Tory announcements and not Ruth ... clearly she can not be trusted ....


Ruth Davidson position is a bigger liability to the Conservatives than any of you can ever imagine!

The really juicy stuff is under embargo. But ask yourself how did she rise so quickly from nowhere to become the party leader?

The Tories, including the PM, are now starting a process that can only lead to a new leader and/or a new centre right party. Come on Murdo... deep breath and check the backbone is in place... an independent Conservatives for an independent Scotland.

Meanwhile there is a new Edinburgh AA (Abbotsford Accord) group for pro-dependants:

dailymail.co.uk/.../...

Mrs Darling must have told Alistair there wouldn't be enough sandwiches to go around if Johann, Ruth and Wullie got an invite to the do.
 
 
# cardrossian 2012-05-21 06:02
[quote name
... an independent Conservatives for an independent Scotland.



The Tory party in Scotland is dead. End Of. There is however a slightly right of centre party which is free of Tory excesses and in which the word 'social' is not a sweary word. The Scottish Democratic Alliance offers sanctuary to those who believe in Scottish Independence, who are in general to the right of the SNP, and want a Scotland outside of the EU, but trading with Europe through EFTA. Its called Common Sense Politics
 
 
# nchanter 2012-05-20 10:16
Looks like I am first to comment,so go easy.
I know it is necessary to sell the vision for independence, and good luck to the SG. It is also necessary for the anti independence side to sell their vision for remaining in the union. How else can we choose which path to take and to apply the greatest benefit motivator (what's in it for me).
 
 
# Aplinal 2012-05-20 10:24
Hi, don't worry, I'll be nice ;-)

Quote:
It is also necessary for the anti independence side to sell their vision for remaining in the union.


You are quite right to suggest that the pro-dependency parties need to explain why Scotland is unique in the world at being, apparently, unable to manage on its own.

Since the establishment of the UN with about 50 nations, there are now 200 members. It seems that Independence is the "natural" state of being for a country.

What are the POSITIVE reasons for the Union? I have yet to hear anything other than whimsy and nostalgia and vague "we are better together" pronouncements with no rationale for the statement.

Yes, it is time to hear all these positive reasons. But, don't hold your breath.
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-05-20 11:22
Frequently ask unionists what their vision for Scotland's future within the union is. They don't seem to have one.
 
 
# Marga B 2012-05-20 10:33
OT but a contrast - in Spain the downward spiral continues: the new Education for Citizenship subject, nationally imposed, will contain this section:

"Terrorismo, fanatismo religioso, estados fallidos o los nacionalismos excluyentes"

Yes,grouped in the same chapter:
"Terrorism, religious extremism, failed states and narrow nationalisms."

Also the devolved governments now have to clear their budget with Madrid every month or get taken over.

Good job the LibDems have disappeared, because their favourite devolved country isn't a very good model for Scotland.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-05-20 21:36
"narrow nationalisms"
Does that include Spanish Nationalism, or is it somehow wider, instead of narrow?

European Nationalism would be wider yet. Does the Spanish Government see that as even better? - Tautological question!
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-05-20 10:47
YouGov is conducting a survey on Independence. Just completed it. Interesting to see if the results will be published.

Also in Sunday Herald one of their leaders is about the YES to independence. Worth a read and perhaps a comment.

heraldscotland.com/.../...
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 10:54
I'll keep an eye out. Yougov independence surveys are crap - at odds with all other polls normally.

Problem is it is not a poll, but a survey of strongly politically interested people (chose to sign up) who own devices which can access the internet. A proper poll is a random sample conducted usually by telephone such as MORI, ICM etc.
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-05-20 11:44
Carrying out a poll/survey by telephone also has its flaws not least that by using the telephone you have already selected a sub-group of the population (telephone owners) from which to select your random sample.

Even how you randomise the sample is not perfect. So unless those conducting the poll/survey give full details of their methods then it is difficult to make any sound judgement about the result.

It just boils down to 'some methods are less flawed than others'.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 14:37
Yougov's methods are the most flawed weighting-wise; they e.g. use newspaper weighting and weight heavily on what you voted for in GEs previously. That does not work well for Scots. I rank ICM as one of the best.

Basically, Yougov independence polls are out of kilter will all other polls inc ICM, MORI, TNS.. The others in contrast generally agree with each other within error/depending on how the question was put.

Most folk have a telephone these days!
 
 
# oldnat 2012-05-20 21:46
You take a doctrinaire position as to the definition of polling.

There is no intrinsic reason why a balanced panel (representing the appropriate demographic on relevant factors)selecte d from an online panel, shouldn't be just as effective as a telephone poll.

YouGov seems quite reliable for English voters - it's just crap on Scotland.

You are incorrect in saying that YG relies on previous voting as a dominant factor. They actually rely on "party identification" - regardless of who panellists actually voted for.

That makes sense in the English environment, where there is limited voting choice.

It's worthless in Scotland, where large numbers of people happily shift their vote between parties depending on the election/issue involved.

We agree as to the lack of value that YG has in Scotland - but for different reasons!
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-21 07:32
Ok, got you.

I guess I've been confusing party identification with past voting history? Removing this weighting factor in Scots data gives a whole different picture. As I imagine you've noticed yourself; those who responded SNP are generally heavily downweighted, whereas Labour voters are weighted up. This certainly applies in UKGE crossbreaks. Is party identification not inherently linked to what you have voted for historically? Or are they asking 'Which party do you identify most with?'.

Cheers,

SS
 
 
# gus1940 2012-05-21 08:46
And lots of previously declared SNP supporters like myself on the YouGov Panel are not asked.
 
 
# deepwater 2012-05-22 20:05
The reasons for comissioning a Scots poll from YouGov are obvious.

You are more likely to get the answer you wish, if you prefere Unionism anyway.
 
 
# pmcrek 2012-05-20 10:54
I have come up with the perfect TV campaign, you give Jerry Sadowitz a microhpone and send him to former British colonies to ask people in the street if they want to become part of Britain again and you run the results as a series of adverts...
 
 
# Kirriereoch 2012-05-20 11:08
Quoting pmcrek:
I have come up with the perfect TV campaign, you give Jerry Sadowitz a microhpone and send him to former British colonies to ask people in the street if they want to become part of Britain again and you run the results as a series of adverts...


I´ve been doing something similar with friends not from Scotland. Casually ask people the question, "So, do you agree that XYZ country should be independent" where XYZ is their home country.

As a Scot I´ve been asked more and more in the last year or so about what my stance is on Scottish independence whenever I´ve been abroad (my work takes me through the EU regularly). Many Europeans have few realistic ideas about what the Scottish referendum really means. Therefore to personalise the question brings it home pretty quickly.

Simply ask a Norwegian, a Finn, an Austrian, a Slovenian or a Hungarian, "Do you agree that YOUR COUNTRY (INSERT COUNTRY OF ORIGIN HERE) should be an independent country?" and they pretty quickly get the gist of the current Scottish debate.

Ps, you don´t have to wonder what the Norwegian, Finnish, Austrian, Slovenian and Hungarian responses to the question were.
 
 
# Islegard 2012-05-20 11:56
There isn't a country in history that once its gained or regained its independence has opted back into a union. All the unions in history have always been a dominant partner subjegating another nation. There has never been a union of equals.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-05-20 21:50
"There has never been a union of equals."

The Dual Monarchy of Austria-Hungary was an attempt to achieve a "union of equals" - the Austrians and the Hungarians were both allocated groups of Slavs to subjugate.

I suspect that wasn't what you meant though!
 
 
# deepwater 2012-05-22 20:07
An it too ended in misery - Sarajevo / WW1
 
 
# ButeHouse 2012-05-20 10:55
I can understand why the unionist media doesn't advertise pro Independence events or at best give minimal information (better still wax lyrically about it the day AFTER its finished) but why on earth hasn't NNS given us the TIME of this event at Cineworld?

The more people who are there the better, even if we can't get in, so much the better......= impressions of 'Hall Full to Bursting'.

Yes we can phone Cineworld and hope the person on the phone knows what we are talking about but as a general rule, we shouldn't have to ask. A) The TIME should be printed and B) we should be URGED to go along if we can manage!

Rant over, VOTE YES in 2014
 
 
# exel 2012-05-20 11:06
ButeHouse 2012-05-20 11:55
“I can understand why the unionist media doesn't advertise pro Independence events or at best give minimal information (better still wax lyrically about it the day AFTER its finished) but why on earth hasn't NNS given us the TIME of this event at Cineworld?”

Maybe this is another tactical announcement?

We still have not heard the result of the “CONSULTATION” or who did the independent analysis of it .
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-20 11:33
The consultation has only just closed! It'll take weeks, probably months, to analyse and collate the results. It's not like counting ballot papers as soon as a poll closes, there are some 20,000 responses, all different.
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-05-20 11:49
Strange then that Bruce Crawford was able to produce figures for the number of anonymous submissions during the furore over that issue.

Has the independent examiner been appointed? The advertisement was not published until half way through the consultation - during the furore over anonymous ballots.

Surely the independent examiner should have been in place so that they could start the analysis as soon as the consultation closed?
 
 
# exel 2012-05-20 12:08
Holebender 2012-05-20 12:33
“The consultation has only just closed! It'll take weeks, probably months, to analyse and collate the results. It's not like counting ballot papers as soon as a poll closes, there are some 20,000 responses, all different.”

The SSP are voicing disquiet about this campaign already. See article in to days Herald.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-05-20 12:50
There could have been a lot of work done as the consultation went along, as replies were received. It would have been foolish to leave it all to the end.
 
 
# Harry.Shanks 2012-05-20 13:33
Quoting exel:
..The SSP are voicing disquiet about this campaign already. See article in todays Herald.


Is that the best that you (and The Herald) can come up with - that the SSP are republicans?

Shock, Horror!
 
 
# edinburgh quine 2012-05-20 12:52
Exel - I've just been on the SNP website and although all the information above is there, no time given. I've sent an email asking for clarification
 
 
# RJBH 2012-05-20 11:08
Darling hosts secret summit to kill off Scottish independence at his Edinburgh home

Senior aides to David Cameron took part in a secret all-party ‘council of war’ at former Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling’s Edinburgh home in a bid to stop Scottish independence.

dailymail.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-05-20 11:09
Unionist Sextet of failed Labour/Tory/LibDem yesterday's men.A motley crew desperate to keep Scotland in this Dis-United Kingdom.
Reader,stop and ask yourself----WHY these clandestine meetings by political foes---chalk and cheese conspiring to keep the two countries joined at the hip?

"Labour and the Conservatives have different motives for opposing independence.The Tories would be a more dominant force in the Commons, but most fear a breakaway Scotland would have a devastating effect on the UK’s standing in the world."
There you have it----Power and Patronage worldwide in peril.
A smaller UK would become a normal nation----same as most countries.
Seat at the international Top Table is already on wobbly legs,and about to topple.
Get used to it----it'll happen in 5-10 years time anyway.

What about mutual destruction Trident in all of this?
It's CENTRAL/VITAL to Labour/Tory foreign policy.
Darling's meeting,'The Trident Sextet'?
The End Game? Oppose Scottish Independence at ALL costs.
 
 
# Murray 2012-05-20 11:20
If only I could afford to go Yes Scotland to support my country. I'm still with Scotland every step of the way!

I have a worry, this campaign to change voters mind to Yes, what if a lot of voters don't believe in Independence.. How can we prove them wrong?
 
 
# Harry.Shanks 2012-05-20 11:27
The fact that Alistair Darling seems to be fronting the Pro-Dependency campaign speaks volumes.

This is a guy who is better known for his eybrows than for any competency he displayed as Gordon Brown's chancellor. A man who slavishly followed economic policies that were so disastrous they saw both him and his boss kicked out of office. Inspirational isn't the word.
 
 
# alasdairmac 2012-05-20 12:30
Yup, I too cant believe the dircredited second raters they are lining up to lead their campaign. The YES Camp's spin doctors will make mince of them.
 
 
# gus1940 2012-05-21 08:55
Charles Kennedy has been mentioned several times as one of the possible leaders of the NO Campaign.

I can't remember his ever having voiced an opinion on the matter of Indpendence - if he has it has been ignored by The MSM.

If he was being lined up why was he not present at the 'secret' meeting at Darling's multi-flipped residence.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-05-20 12:43
Darling missed the bus on the economy and now he is trying to scotch (I use the word deliberately) the Independence campaign.

Why should anyone listen to him and why is no one telling him this?
 
 
# alasdairmac 2012-05-20 12:18
Just heard on the Radio news that Darling has announced that none other than Tony Blair is to take a leading role in the "NO" campaign. I can just hear him now "Scotland, we need your soldiers to help us in our next illegal war. Please don't abandon us to do it ourselves"
 
 
# Harry.Shanks 2012-05-20 12:26
With all these discredited and disliked people joining the "NO" camp - it'll be Jimmy Hill next.
 
 
# RJBH 2012-05-20 12:33
Tony.... One can only marvel at the brass neck...I do believe war criminal Tony will find out how popular he is in Scotland.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-05-20 12:39
Wheel in all the Blair War Cabinet---I'll name names when I'm ready.
THEY nodded it through,and WE and the IRAQIS certainly got it.
DARLING today:--
"So I welcome, you know, this is a call to arms, if you like, whether it's the constitution in Scotland or whether it's the economy in whole United Kingdom, this is the time for people to stand up and be counted."

Darling and Cameron just don't get it---it's not one versus the other.
It's we the People who LIVE in Scotland,and our ability to make all the decisions affecting our lives.
NOT the failed UK parties/parliament who depend partially on Scotland and it's off shore resources to maintain the UK economy.
Why else are they so desperate to keep us in?
If we're "too poor/small",the UK'll be better off without us.Glad to see the back of us!
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 18:03
Tony Blair?

No way. The same Tony who led his party to a loss of 13.5% of the vote share in Scotland over just two parliamentary terms?

Of course they didn't really notice it was happening as it was just at the parish council. They did not appreciate that the parish council was becoming ever more important to Scotland because it was Scotland's parliament.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-20 18:08
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
 
 
# kendomacaroonbar 2012-05-20 12:29
OT

Megrahi is reported as having died today.

dailymail.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# balbeggie 2012-05-20 12:41
which means the Lockerbie Bomber is still alive somewhere.
 
 
# Macart 2012-05-20 13:34
Yep, just spotted same on the Grauniad site.

guardian.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# igster999 2012-05-20 12:41
The things you do when bored on a Sunday afternoon... Anyway, let's give credit where it's due. Check below for another rip-roaring Ruthie success story:

alexa.com/.../...

Or, alternatively, look at the figures for something with a bit of substance and a positive message:

alexa.com/.../...

25 millionth in the world! Y'gotta admit this website was a work of rare Conservative genius.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-05-20 12:46
Just heard the announcement of Al Megrahi's death. There should be a lot of people at BBC Scotland celebrating!

They have had their mileage out of the story and it's not finished yet.
 
 
# alanski 2012-05-20 12:49
"Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont claimed that the ‘delay’ in holding the referendum was “self indulgent” and that the independence debate was a distraction. Claiming that most Scots had already made up their minds she added: “This is a self-indulgence we can ill afford. While the rest of Europe debates how we get back from the brink of the possible collapse of the euro, Scotland, by Alex Salmond’s dictat, stares at our own navel.”

Jeeso, is this the best that this dismal politician Lamont can come up with? These remarks are worse than laughable - great to see that they cannot come up with even a remotely coherent argument against independence. Roll on 2014, can't wait to vote YES.
 
 
# edinburgh quine 2012-05-20 12:54
Right Angus - BRING IT ON
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-05-20 12:58
"Europe debates how we get back from the brink of the possible collapse of the euro, Scotland, by Alex Salmond’s dictat, stares at our own navel."

Johann can stare at her own navel----the Scottish Government is out there in the rest of the world getting jobs for Scotland,and Johan would be well minded to do the same,"on the brink of the possible collapse of the euro".
New Labour never did Scotland any favours and it's still the same old story.
Playing politics to get Patronage and Power at the next General Election cos
it's Labour's turn.
Johann-- Scotland is Left Wing--remember?
 
 
# GuidedByPollard 2012-05-20 13:17
O/T Megrahi dead!
 
 
# rgweir 2012-05-20 13:34
I thought Brian Cox was a new labour supporter.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-20 14:01
He was, but he came out for the SNP during the 2011 election campaign.

Besides, he wouldn't be the only Labour supporter to be for independence!
 
 
# gopher3 2012-05-20 13:41
Quoting balbeggie:
which means the Lockerbie Bomber is still alive somewhere.


Will they make any attempt to find the real culprits.? I doubt it
 
 
# jafurn 2012-05-20 15:12
Johan Lamont said...

bbc.co.uk/.../...

"At this moment let me, on behalf of the people of Scotland, apologise to the families of all the victims of the Lockerbie bombing, for his early release."

At this moment let me,on behalf of myself, say that Ms Lamont does not speak for me nor I would guess the people of Scotland on this
 
 
# Robabody 2012-05-20 18:49
Indeed - nor me either
 
 
# G. Campbell 2012-05-20 14:02
James Cook report for the BBC News Channel: Megrahi release "embarrassed Scotland".
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 14:35
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not embarrassed/annoyed that someone isn't dead yet.

I don't think they realise the English Daily mail doesn't sell well up here. Not enough right wing nutters.
 
 
# Macart 2012-05-20 20:47
Nope not really embarrassed here either and definitely not a fan of others apologizing on my behalf.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-05-20 14:06
Donated to newsnetscotland -Top of page, for the second time
I don't buy the Scottish anti-independence newspapers,and desist from clicking their on-line sites---these keep them in the money----advertising etc.
My money's better spent going to NNS once in a while.
 
 
# sneckedagain 2012-05-20 14:37
Just heard a marvelous interview on BBC News channel with Tam Dalyell expressing very clearly again his total conviction that Al Megrahi was innocent and his total disgust at the Crown Office in Edinburgh.
Tam still can't bring himself to articulate the obvious - that the Crown Office had to be operating on instructions from London
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2012-05-20 15:13
Tam does make a point with which many concur, and yes the Crown Office will have heard the thunder clap above their head.

Now which very wise man said "But facts are chiels that winna ding". Al Megrahi wont hear his name cleared, but his family, and just as importantly, Scotland and the world will.
 
 
# taimoshan 2012-05-20 14:49
Johann Lamont has apologised "on behalf of the people of Scotland" to the families of the victims of Lockerbie. This foul leader of a foul party has no mandate to apologise for Scotland. How low can labour go that they use Megrahi's death for political gain. I there anything decent about Labour?
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2012-05-20 15:19
Hi taimoshan,

"Is there anything decent about Labour" ???
The question does not compute, please don't try later.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-20 15:32
Computer says no.
 
 
# Aplinal 2012-05-20 15:27
Quote:
Johann Lamont has apologised "on behalf of the people of Scotland" to the families of the victims of Lockerbie.


Cripes, I hadn't realised that it was Scots who brought down the airliner! Thanks for this Johann, now please go back to wherever it is you stay between FMQs.

On a serious note, I would like to think that now he is dead, that a formal recognition of the SCCRC report - now in the public domain - will be made, and a full undertaking to review this, IMHO, miscarriage of Justice.

A shame on Scottish justice system, and the machinations of a cabal of 'western' political power brokers. This is Scotland's shame, but Westminster's direction.
 
 
# alasdairmac 2012-05-20 14:55
Just read the bit about the "Abbotsford Accord" again - not one Labour or LibDem MSP involved. Don't their London masters trust them?
 
 
# mealer 2012-05-20 15:18
YES SCOTLAND has a nice ring to it.Clear and concise.No need for further embelishment.A bit like the Scottish flag really.Which I hope will be playing a central role in our campaign for a better Scotland.The Londonists will have their own campaign fully supported by the media.So we're all going to have to work hard to win for Scotland.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-20 15:30
The Saltire is incorporated into the campaign logo, as is the word YES.
 
 
# Murray 2012-05-20 15:44
Post independence, what would happen if Westminster refuse to give over all powers to Edinburgh?

P.S - I will vote YES in 2014 :)
 
 
# jafurn 2012-05-20 16:15
O/T and just as an aside..

Since the 'saga' of the Olympic torch relay is being rammed at us from the television screens constantly and I suspect it is attempting to show the United Kingdom in all it's glory.
I found this piece about it's (olympic torch) history very interesting....

London 2012 Olympics: torch relay began life as propaganda for Nazi Germany


telegraph.co.uk/.../...

(The words could not be more refined, or the sentiment more noble....
“The Olympic torch is designed to shine through the centuries, a signal of peaceful understanding between nations, with the aim of arousing more and more enthusiasm for the ideal of humanity.”) ........

.........(They read like a particularly polished press release from London’s Organising Committee; in reality, they were uttered by Carl Diem, the organiser of the Olympic torch relay at the 1936 Berlin Games. It was the first ever Olympic torch relay and, still, the most controversial: a perversion of an apparently noble conceit by Germany’s ruling Nazi Party,....)

Who knew that? ...not me anyway
 
 
# Aplinal 2012-05-20 16:23
Me neither. Thanks for the info / link
 
 
# edinburghdave 2012-05-20 17:41
I have just witnessed five of the crassest minutes ever to spew forth from the beeb. Anadvert for the jubilee with a Scots childs voice. An advert for a programme on British history, where some historian makes a statement about the Welsh losing British territory, and the final piece on wbat a noble, fantastic, worthy cause London is, cue pics of London during the blitz.

Honestly, 1930's Germany would be proud
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 18:10
Was in Tesco Galashiels today doing the shopping.

There was a small stand devoted to the olympics/jubilee with bunting, team GB mugs etc standing forlorn and rather overstocked. Lets say things did not seem to be flying off the shelf.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-05-20 21:56
You didn't bump it hard enough!
 
 
# J Wil 2012-05-20 20:45
I have noticed that the BBC have upped the anti by having many references to Scotland, both in the news and in documentaries etc. Tonight Countryfile were in Dumfries and Galloway.

They are too late with their platitudes.
 
 
# UpSpake 2012-05-20 17:53
My UK passport has expired and since I can pay but won't pay UK APD I'll be happy to await first in line for my new Scottish Passport !.
 
 
# naemairleesplease 2012-05-20 19:14
I've still got 7 years left on mine.
Do you think rUK will give me a refund?

Anyway, article here from Leslie Riddoch on Alistair Darling's "NO" campaign.

lesleyriddoch.co.uk/.../...

"Just say No.

It's not exactly a seductive slogan is it – or even a new one. "Just say No" didn't pass muster in the "war against drugs" thirty years ago. But now it's back. Only this time, it's No to Scottish independence. And the lucky naysayer in chief looks set to be…. Alistair Darling. No descendant of the family liberated by Peter Pan, Darling does at least have one "evergreen" feature. Those improbable, jet-black eyebrows. He also has baggage."
 
 
# the wallace 2012-05-20 18:09
Question??,will gorgeous george now share a platform with his favourite unionist war criminal and mass murderer blair and fight against the scottish peoples right to self determination??,we await your speedy reply george.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 19:52
I just came across this comment from Jackson Carlaw here:

bbc.co.uk/.../...

"But the facts are that the SNP have lost a quarter of their support in just a year and got barely a third of the vote in the council elections."

He obviously has not been looking at my analyses ;-) This man is a politician? I'm a bloody chemist yet can tell you the SNP have not lost 1/4 of their support in a year. Does he really think this? I hope he does.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-20 19:57
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-20 20:09
They seem to be making so many of them; and going about it furiously too. I doubt even the most persistent helpful shoulder tapping could distract them from this.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-05-20 20:41
These are no more than deliberate lies from Carlaw in my opinion. It seems anyone can say anything to rubbish the SNP in the sure knowledge that they will not be taken up on it by the media.
 
 
# edinburghdave 2012-05-22 08:00
Quoting scottish_skier:
I just came across this comment from Jackson Carlaw here:

bbc.co.uk/.../...

"But the facts are that the SNP have lost a quarter of their support in just a year and got barely a third of the vote in the council elections."

He obviously has not been looking at my analyses ;-) This man is a politician? I'm a bloody chemist yet can tell you the SNP have not lost 1/4 of their support in a year. Does he really think this? I hope he does.


Branch SNP meeting last night. Membership UP by 30 since the local elections. 60 in total since the start of the year.

Lies.
 
 
# mealer 2012-05-20 20:24
Has Dougie written a new song for the campaign ?
 
 
# Macart 2012-05-20 20:55
"One of the main tactics of the Yes campaign is expected to see strategic unveiling of high profile converts to independence."

Cannae really see any converts to dependence happenin'. :)
 
 
# Talorcan 2012-05-20 21:04
I've got the most awful headache so I'm truly sorry my Darling, but the answer is yes.
Ha ha!
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-05-20 23:43
Let's hope it's one belter of a publicity campaign to screw the lies and mis-information spewed out by the BBC and MSM.

If every household in Scotland was repeatedly delivered of an information sheet on a regular basis, showing the positives of independence - AS WELL AS - a showing-up of the deficiencies of the Union for this country - the Scots people would be informed properly and vote with a full and settled mind.

I've no doubt this is on the cards, starting with the launch of the YES campaign.

At last!
 
 
# mealer 2012-05-21 07:14
we're at the start of a 30 month campaign.Its very important not to scunner folk before we really get going.Its important that interest and enthusiasm for the debate rises and peaks on voting day.interest in the politics of the debate will rise and fall over the next 30 months.But the cultural side of things must be sustained and built up.We have to get young folk in particular to think its OK to vote in a referendum.To think its not nerdy.To think its a good thing to support Scotland.
 
 
# mealer 2012-05-21 07:25
Heres an idea.Get some saltire coffee mugs.If a unionist friend pops in for a coffee,you can make a point of giving him a non-saltire mug.So as not to offend.
 
 
# Aucheorn 2012-05-21 08:42
The hooley kicks off at 11am.

Accepted our invites this morning.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-05-21 08:54
Being as unionism as a word has been banned by the dependency parties because of it's pejorative connotations I wonder if the Union Flag will be acceptable for the campaign or will it be locked in a drawer too?

A tad difficult to get the status quo supporters motivated when integral parts of their message are declared off limits.

It would be really amusing if they chose a union flag / saltire combo as of course the union flag already includes Scotland and tagging the saltire on to their campaign would merely highlight how they don't quite get that part.....
 
 
# mealer 2012-05-21 11:30
I had a man girning to me about the seperatists using the Scottish flag,because it belongs to all Scots.I told him to go and put a saltire up in his garden if he felt so strongly.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-05-21 14:01
LOL.

I'm very tempted by one of these:

amazon.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-05-21 14:20
get your orders in fast folks. By the time Lamont, Rennie, Action Krankie and the entire staff of BBC Scotland have "reclaimed the saltire" there will be none left.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-05-21 14:42
If I didn't already have a flagpole attached to the gable of my house, I might be tempted.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-05-21 14:25
Bain Principle.Remember it? 2012.
Labour's political machine at work.
"It is a long-standing PLP convention that we do not support SNP motions”.

For newbies who are unaware of Labour's double talk about caring for Scotland,here it is:-
bellacaledonia.org.uk/.../...
Much more of this to come I fear,in the run up to the YES Referendum.
 
 
# MacSenex 2012-05-21 21:55
I'm surprised that the article in Derek Bateman's programme on Saturday on the arc of recovery has not been featured on NNS

Quite devastating how the gap between Norway, Ireland and Iceland and the UK widens and will continue to do so according to IMF reports
 
 
# UpSpake 2012-05-22 05:58
Just ask Nancy Reagan how sucessful her - Just Say No !, campaign was against drug use in the 1980's.
Drug use in the US actually went - Up !.
Just ask Lamont how successful her negative anti SNP policy is, well Labour are not the majority, are they ?.
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-05-22 07:33
Man-wi-twa-hairy-oobits is now to be joined by B.Liar the war criminal!
Oh boy! What a gub-fest!
Dunno about deep-fried Ma-Arse bars, but that lot will be well and truly battered!
 
 
# mealer 2012-05-22 20:09
Surely they wouldnt be so stupid.
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-05-23 17:00
Well both T Blair and the man with seemingly dyed eyebrows are Scots and surely entitled to their opinion?

How that will be taken on-board by the "not-made-up-their-minds-yet" Scots remains to be seen, but I somehow don't think it will be enough to call them to arms!

Looking forward to the positive case for the Union though.
 
 
# Piemonteis 2012-05-23 17:27
Can we make sure that problems in the unity of YES campaign don't arise over the next two years and a half? We'll have to wait until Friday to see exactly how the campaign is going to be brought forward, but it is a worry that this will be seen as an SNP campaign.

It's excellent that there are a number of "independent" yes voters, in the form of actors, authors, etc, but their careers outside of politics mean they won't be able to dedicate as much time and space to the campaign as politicians will.

This is the weakness of the Independence movement. Besides the SNP, the only other elected members in favor of independence are Margo MacDonald, who is SNP in all but name, and the Green MSPs who, in addition to only having 2 SNPs and 12 councillors nationally, are promoting a free vote on independence to their members.

In the face of a Tory-Labour-LD onslaught, it would be beneficial to see more than just the SNP fighting the YES battle.
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-05-23 23:40
Are you sure that there are no friends of independence in the other benches?

There is a forced choice coming for them. The YES / NO vote will be with a heart decision or a logic decision or for party loyalty and there's been so much negativity, it's scunnering even them off their respective lap-dog affiliation loyalty.

There is simply no sustainable case for perpetuation of the status quo, which is the black and white of the NO vote.
 

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