Tuesday, 05 June 2012 01:02
144 Comments
By G.A.Ponsonby 
BBC Scotland reporters who use pejorative terms to describe independence face being carpeted after the corporation was forced to introduce guidelines on referendum coverage.
The decision followed a meeting between First Minister Alex Salmond and Chairman of the BBC Trust Lord Patten in February that led to a dossier compiled by the Scottish Government being handed to the former Tory Minister.
The decision to issue new guidelines followed concerns expressed by the Scottish Government, unhappy at the continued usage of terms like “separation”, “break-up” and “divorce” to describe independence.
Presenters who used similar negative terms, which were not direct quotes from the SNP's opponents, included Radio Scotland’s Gary Robertson and colleague Sarah Paterson. Similar terms have also appeared in online articles on the BBC Scotland website.
Lord Patten had already expressed concern that the reputation of the BBC risked being harmed by perceptions of bias.
Speaking in February, he signalled that changes were necessary: “It would be hugely damaging to our reputation and to our continuing viability as a great broadcaster if we did anything which chipped away at the reputation that we have.
“So yes, we want to handle the issue of the referendum and its coverage as sensitively as possible.” he said.
February’s meeting between the First Minister coincided with a public row after the BBC’s political advisor blocked Mr Salmond from appearing as a guest on a live rugby programme.
The BBC had claimed the decision was due to May’s local elections and “heightened tensions” in Scotland over the 2014 referendum.
However critics pointed out that only days after Mr Salmond was prevented from speaking about a high profile sporting fixture, UK PM David Cameron was allowed free reign by the BBC to give his views on the resignation of England football manager Fabio Capello.
It also emerged that in a BBC Radio programme that same week, former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell was allowed to promote Labour and attack the SNP despite being invited onto the programme in order to talk about his new book and his love of bagpipes.
The admission that presenters have been using Unionist favoured terms and phrases will be embarrassing to BBC Scotland management who are currently under pressure over decisions to block online comment on Scottish political blogs.
A recent appearance in front of a Holyrood committee saw BBC Scotland’s head Ken MacQuarrie clash with MSPs over planned job cuts and the axing of programmes.
A recent demonstration at the BBC’s Glasgow HQ also sought to highlight what many believe is evidence of a lack of balance in Scottish political reporting.
Yesterday, respected broadcaster and journalist Lesley Riddoch joined the chorus of concerned voices unhappy at the quality of BBC Scotland’s news and current affairs programmes.
Ms Riddoch highlighted what she described as “a small number of conveniently located commentators who hop nightly between the Pacific Quay studios of the BBC and STV.”
The former BBC presenter questioned the reluctance of the BBC to allow more voices to be heard and added: “Inverness, Aberdeen or Dundee all have studios and yet Scots living in these cities are vastly under-represented on BBC Scotland TV current affairs.”
Unionists responded angrily to the announcement by the BBC of ‘language guidelines’ and have insisted that the corporation stop referring to the Government in London as the “Westminster Government”.
Comments
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2012-06-05 01:32
“It would be hugely damaging to our reputation and to our continuing viability as a great broadcaster if we did anything which chipped away at the reputation that we have".
Aye, they're legends in their own minds.
Aye, they're legends in their own minds.
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2012-06-05 02:03
At last and about time this lot were brought to heel it is a disgrace how they have behaved im suprised that this has gone on for so long and the unionists are not happy well tough move on get a life get a television, get a microwave you get the picture they are not happy because this behaviour is now being noticed and they dont like the fact it will be them next get in line grab a ticket this show has just began and what a show it is going to be roll on 2014 and say YES YES YES
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2012-06-05 03:09
I was thinking that the SNP had been strangely quiet at the recent, and not so recent, language used by the EBC. And yet, quietly, behind the scenes, they go right to the top and deal with it.
As to stopping referring to the "Westminster" government; what else, to differentiate, could be used.
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As to stopping referring to the "Westminster" government; what else, to differentiate, could be used.
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2012-06-05 08:58
Quoting edinburgh quine:
Minority government ?
As to stopping referring to the "Westminster" government; what else, to differentiate, could be used.
Minority government ?
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2012-06-05 12:12
To be fair the term "Westminster Government" is inaccurate, as unfortunately the UK Government's responsibilitie s extend far beyond the City of Westminster.
A more correct phrase would be "UK Government". Dont have a problem with BBC using this instead, as long as they get the finger out and stop acting like state propoganda in Scotland.
A more correct phrase would be "UK Government". Dont have a problem with BBC using this instead, as long as they get the finger out and stop acting like state propoganda in Scotland.
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2012-06-07 01:51
The Britnats can hardly complain about word usage since they themselves have banned the words Union and Unionist from their own campaign leaving them using the phrase "anti-separatist"
Very Oscar Wilde. A Union that dare not speak its name
Very Oscar Wilde. A Union that dare not speak its name
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2012-06-05 06:24
look this is not even close to dealing with this problem, i live in the only country that gets next to nothing of a televised news service over the weekend, The Scottish programing of the bbc in Scotland would if broadcasted non stop would not even cover one day out of seven. you could go on and on,What about the amount of programming that highlights English Football? Over the weekend The football league show, match of the day, football focus and that little gem for brain washing scot children in English football, the CBBC kick about on bbc 2 Scotland
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2012-06-05 12:14
Yeah its dire, we should swap BBC Scotland for BBC Alba after independence. There is at least one channel in Scotland creating original programs.
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2012-06-05 13:25
Yes, but there aint no subtitles on their news so for us lesser mortals who dont have the gaelic, we're goosed
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2012-06-06 12:56
Took the words right out of my mouth. It's one nil to us, but the game is far from over.
How about a Scotland based news at ten broadcast in Scotland for a whole half hour with a wee bit of UK news tacked onto the end?
How about an hour and a half long Sportscene every Saturday night and Sportscene 2 on Sunday with that days matches and the ones from yesterday just in case you missed them? And then cram the English football into a 30 minute highlight programme?
How about a Scottish breakfast time program taking about what's important to Scotland? If England really needs to get involved they can have a five minute news broadcast every now and again.
In fact whilst I'm at it, how about 6 more Radio Scotland stations?
Problem sovled? No, but it's a start.
How about a Scotland based news at ten broadcast in Scotland for a whole half hour with a wee bit of UK news tacked onto the end?
How about an hour and a half long Sportscene every Saturday night and Sportscene 2 on Sunday with that days matches and the ones from yesterday just in case you missed them? And then cram the English football into a 30 minute highlight programme?
How about a Scottish breakfast time program taking about what's important to Scotland? If England really needs to get involved they can have a five minute news broadcast every now and again.
In fact whilst I'm at it, how about 6 more Radio Scotland stations?
Problem sovled? No, but it's a start.
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2012-06-05 23:03
That's them assuming that nasty referendum business will have been safely taken care of by then. Too little, too late.
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2012-06-05 06:34
They've got a reputation??? When did that happen?
BBC news coverage in Scotland and in particular their political commentary, is perhaps the closest example of a state political mouthpiece I've seen since the height of cold war eastern block reportage. The service itself as a public broadcaster may not be completely biased, but there are certain individuals in prominent positions who have abused their power and remit in order to support the union cause and attempt to influence the attitudes of the electorate. Report and inform? They're having a laugh.
And since when is the description of Westminster government a pejorative or inflammatory term? There are two parliaments, Westminster and Holyrood. Just how are they going describe the actions of one house or the other without naming them? Point to pictures??? Constantly use the phrase UK government??? Well I suppose what's good for the goose..... They'll need to remember to use the term Scottish Government to differentiate at every turn, yes?
BBC news coverage in Scotland and in particular their political commentary, is perhaps the closest example of a state political mouthpiece I've seen since the height of cold war eastern block reportage. The service itself as a public broadcaster may not be completely biased, but there are certain individuals in prominent positions who have abused their power and remit in order to support the union cause and attempt to influence the attitudes of the electorate. Report and inform? They're having a laugh.
And since when is the description of Westminster government a pejorative or inflammatory term? There are two parliaments, Westminster and Holyrood. Just how are they going describe the actions of one house or the other without naming them? Point to pictures??? Constantly use the phrase UK government??? Well I suppose what's good for the goose..... They'll need to remember to use the term Scottish Government to differentiate at every turn, yes?
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2012-06-05 07:08
They have a reputation - no doubt about that. The only thing is it is a bad one.
This latest guideline is just a smokescreen - the BBC in Scotland are only following direction from London and they know it's just public bluster. The will back off for a few days and then it will be business as usual. The cycle will then repeat but 9days out of 10 we will have unionist propaganda shoved down our throats.
This latest guideline is just a smokescreen - the BBC in Scotland are only following direction from London and they know it's just public bluster. The will back off for a few days and then it will be business as usual. The cycle will then repeat but 9days out of 10 we will have unionist propaganda shoved down our throats.
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2012-06-05 07:44
Fully agree clootie, a leopard doesn't change its spots. The fact is those same individuals will still occupy the same jobs today, tomorrow and for the foreseeable future. They've been caught red handed and publicly slapped down (by their standards) but having abused public trust and their position, they still have a job. How does that work then? If they did nothing wrong why the new guidelines? If they have done what they are accused of, then why do they still have a job? They'll just find new and more interesting ways of portraying the SG in a bad light.
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2012-06-05 07:25
"Guidelines" always implies to me that they are voluntary, not binding. They'd call them rules otherwise.
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2012-06-05 07:46
When I heard David Dimbleby announce that Alan Cummings would be on the panel for the edition from Scotland I thought 'Oh dear, I hopw Alan knows what he is in for' But from what you say about the make-up of the panel it is even worse than what I thought.
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2012-06-05 12:16
Legerwood I think you'll find that alan Cummings will handle himself very well, he's no fool.
I would lay money that he will get the biggest claps when it comes to standing up for Scottish Independence. And in the unlikely event that he gets mauled by the unionists he'll get the sympathy vote. Either way the YES Camp will come out well from it.
Having said that the 'balance' of the panel is non existent and the producer should be slapped down for it.
VOTE YES in 2014
I would lay money that he will get the biggest claps when it comes to standing up for Scottish Independence. And in the unlikely event that he gets mauled by the unionists he'll get the sympathy vote. Either way the YES Camp will come out well from it.
Having said that the 'balance' of the panel is non existent and the producer should be slapped down for it.
VOTE YES in 2014
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2012-06-05 08:13
I think the 4-1 unionist favour is more 4.5-0.5.
I am not aware that Allan Cumming is as well versed in politics as the other 4,in fact i am not even sure if he will be able to even vote in the referendum,sinc e he spends so much time in America.
This has to be the most biased QT panel ever,if the majority party in Scotland does not have a representative, while the 4th party in the last local election(rememb er,there are MORE SNP councillors in the UK than lib-dem),serious questions Must be asked.
This panel surely signifies to the world that the bbc is NOT a "fair & impartial broadcaster",and moves should be made to independent election supervisors from the UN & EU to monitor the poll.
I am not aware that Allan Cumming is as well versed in politics as the other 4,in fact i am not even sure if he will be able to even vote in the referendum,sinc e he spends so much time in America.
This has to be the most biased QT panel ever,if the majority party in Scotland does not have a representative, while the 4th party in the last local election(rememb er,there are MORE SNP councillors in the UK than lib-dem),serious questions Must be asked.
This panel surely signifies to the world that the bbc is NOT a "fair & impartial broadcaster",and moves should be made to independent election supervisors from the UN & EU to monitor the poll.
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2012-06-05 08:34
The panel is not only heavily weighted toward unionism.
Forsyth and Phillips are to the right of Genghis Kahn, Alexander is of the faction who moved the Lib Dems from centre left to centre right (and is currently destroying them as a result.
Lamont has no policy at all beyond hatred and jealousy.
Forsyth and Phillips are to the right of Genghis Kahn, Alexander is of the faction who moved the Lib Dems from centre left to centre right (and is currently destroying them as a result.
Lamont has no policy at all beyond hatred and jealousy.
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2012-06-05 10:42
Quoting Embradon:
If Allan Cumming withdraws, they'll probably replace him with George Foulkes, in the interest of fairness and balance - BBC style, of course!
The panel is not only heavily weighted toward unionism.
Forsyth and Phillips are to the right of Genghis Kahn, Alexander is of the faction who moved the Lib Dems from centre left to centre right (and is currently destroying them as a result.
Lamont has no policy at all beyond hatred and jealousy.
If Allan Cumming withdraws, they'll probably replace him with George Foulkes, in the interest of fairness and balance - BBC style, of course!
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2012-06-06 06:54
Is this serious? The QT panel is
Michael Forsyth
Danny Alexander
Johan Lamont
Not sure who Phillips is
and Alan Cummings?
That is absolutely ridiculous!
No disrespect to ALan Cummings but there should be an SNP politician on there or even Patrick Harvie.
Michael Forsyth
Danny Alexander
Johan Lamont
Not sure who Phillips is
and Alan Cummings?
That is absolutely ridiculous!
No disrespect to ALan Cummings but there should be an SNP politician on there or even Patrick Harvie.
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2012-06-06 13:02
Aparantly not...Nicola Sturgeon has been added and Danny has been dropped in favour of Charlie Kenedy.
So basically the BBC have conceded they should have an SNP on the panel and have then gone out of thier way to drop the useless Lib Dem and strengthen the Unionist side of the Arguement with a better one.
Still hugely imbalanced, although whoever said it was 4.5 v 0.5 was the Unionist half Lammont? If so I think you're being generous...
So basically the BBC have conceded they should have an SNP on the panel and have then gone out of thier way to drop the useless Lib Dem and strengthen the Unionist side of the Arguement with a better one.
Still hugely imbalanced, although whoever said it was 4.5 v 0.5 was the Unionist half Lammont? If so I think you're being generous...
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2012-06-05 13:06
I know LibDems are a rare breed, but Alexander is the local MP so I think is inclusion is justified. My biggest problem is with bringing in a London-based journo when the usual format is to have about four politicians and one non politician on the panel. They have Alan Cumming as the non-pol so why fill another seat with a non-pol, especially one they will have flown over 500 miles to get there?
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2012-06-05 14:53
I seem to remember demonstations against Alexander in his home constituency so he might not be too welcome in Inverness.
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2012-06-05 21:30
Cummings was at the yes launch, so he is surely 100% pro-independence. If he expects to be seen as credible and someone that people listen to, he should be fit for QT.
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2012-06-05 07:49
The BBC has come in for a hammering about their coverage of the Thames pageant on Sunday. Did not watch it so cannot comment but plenty of people did so yesterday on the Daily Telegraph's web site. From what was said I think you could say that the BBC's reputation is not stellar.
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2012-06-05 07:53
"Trust Clip the Wings of BBC Scotland"
Was that before or after they chose the panel for Questions time?
I'm not buying it.
Was that before or after they chose the panel for Questions time?
I'm not buying it.
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2012-06-05 07:54
In the last couple of years I have gone from listening to the radio from getting up in the morning to the archers at 7, following all the news on their website AND defending it against those who would take it's licence fee away, on the basis of quality of output.
But from that scenario to never listening to the radio (and I miss it), dissin' it at every opportunity, and only rarely (the Friday quiz - I like it) looking at their website.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this and until they become what they purport to be, I will continue to ignore it.
Their concessions to the SNP not withstanding, the still have a million miles to walk to get anywhere near my expectations
But from that scenario to never listening to the radio (and I miss it), dissin' it at every opportunity, and only rarely (the Friday quiz - I like it) looking at their website.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this and until they become what they purport to be, I will continue to ignore it.
Their concessions to the SNP not withstanding, the still have a million miles to walk to get anywhere near my expectations
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2012-06-05 08:11
I sometimes skip the News Quiz if Susan Calman is on it.
I've heard all her too wee, too stupid, deep fried Mars bars jokes before.
I've heard all her too wee, too stupid, deep fried Mars bars jokes before.
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2012-06-05 08:08
Quoting drumoyneguy:
Time to take BBC to task for the amount they spend on Scottish football and other sports north of the border. Recently BBC announced £180 million three year deal to broadcast Match of the Day highlights add to this the circa £20 million a year they spend on live coverage of 10 (I think) English championship games.
Yet they did not even bid to screen Scottish Premier games.
What about the amount of programming that highlights English Football? Over the weekend The football league show, match of the day, football focus and that little gem for brain washing scot children in English football, the CBBC kick about on bbc 2 Scotland
Time to take BBC to task for the amount they spend on Scottish football and other sports north of the border. Recently BBC announced £180 million three year deal to broadcast Match of the Day highlights add to this the circa £20 million a year they spend on live coverage of 10 (I think) English championship games.
Yet they did not even bid to screen Scottish Premier games.
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2012-06-05 08:16
O/T
Letter by J Mulholland, Belfast on Universality of Cheese well worth a read and possibly worth re printing here.
Letter by J Mulholland, Belfast on Universality of Cheese well worth a read and possibly worth re printing here.
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2012-06-05 08:25
Can't say this concession offers all that much. I am more concerned with the manipulation of election result statistics following the local elections to promote the narrative that Labour had achieved a great victory, when in fact the were beaten by ever single measure of success.
They lost in share of the vote, they lost in total number of seats, they lost in seats gained, they held Glasgow with a reduced majority (but that did not stop the BBC claiming it as a Labour gain), and they lost in the voter shift which represented a 1.6% swing from Labour to the SNP.
I know it has been argued that this was a result of decisions made in London, pertinent to the election in England, but that is a lame excuse if it distorted the results from Scotland, and counting a Labour seat gone independent, as a Labour gain, is out and out deliberate misrepresentati on.
The BBC twisted itself into a pretzel to promote a narrative of Labour success, to the point of using a photo of Labour leaders expressing relief that they were still alive, after an electoral near-death experience, as evidence of triumph. They juxtaposed this with a photo of SNP leaders in a quiet moment, and sold THAT as evidence of SNP despair.
The problem of the practice of the partisan doping of interviews and debates with two or three (and indeed, sometimes four) Unionists to one Nationalist, is still prevalent. In fact it has gotten worse in that sometimes there is no Nationalist representation at all.
Thursday's Question time (June 7) will comprise four rabid Unionist panelists (Danny Alexander, Lord Forsyth and Johann Lamont, and the Daily Mail's columnist Melanie Phillips) to one representitive from the Nationalist camp (actor Alan Cumming). When we factor-in the demonstrable bias (condescension) of the host, David Dimbleby, and the doped audience, the whole thing becomes a farce.
Quite why there is not outrage over this line-up, I don't know. This is essentially free advertising for the Unionist cabal courtesy of the BBC, funded by Scottish TV-licence holders. YOU are paying to promote the Unionist case.
Over the course of a two plus year campaign, this amounts to tens of millions of pounds in daily TV and radio propaganda. Where is the outrage? BBC reform! What reform?
They lost in share of the vote, they lost in total number of seats, they lost in seats gained, they held Glasgow with a reduced majority (but that did not stop the BBC claiming it as a Labour gain), and they lost in the voter shift which represented a 1.6% swing from Labour to the SNP.
I know it has been argued that this was a result of decisions made in London, pertinent to the election in England, but that is a lame excuse if it distorted the results from Scotland, and counting a Labour seat gone independent, as a Labour gain, is out and out deliberate misrepresentati on.
The BBC twisted itself into a pretzel to promote a narrative of Labour success, to the point of using a photo of Labour leaders expressing relief that they were still alive, after an electoral near-death experience, as evidence of triumph. They juxtaposed this with a photo of SNP leaders in a quiet moment, and sold THAT as evidence of SNP despair.
The problem of the practice of the partisan doping of interviews and debates with two or three (and indeed, sometimes four) Unionists to one Nationalist, is still prevalent. In fact it has gotten worse in that sometimes there is no Nationalist representation at all.
Thursday's Question time (June 7) will comprise four rabid Unionist panelists (Danny Alexander, Lord Forsyth and Johann Lamont, and the Daily Mail's columnist Melanie Phillips) to one representitive from the Nationalist camp (actor Alan Cumming). When we factor-in the demonstrable bias (condescension) of the host, David Dimbleby, and the doped audience, the whole thing becomes a farce.
Quite why there is not outrage over this line-up, I don't know. This is essentially free advertising for the Unionist cabal courtesy of the BBC, funded by Scottish TV-licence holders. YOU are paying to promote the Unionist case.
Over the course of a two plus year campaign, this amounts to tens of millions of pounds in daily TV and radio propaganda. Where is the outrage? BBC reform! What reform?
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2012-06-05 08:48
Somebody in today's Scotsman is suggesting that Charlie Kennedy is to replace Alexander and that Nicola is coming aboard presumably in place of Alan Cumming. Does anybody know if this is the case?
If true will it mean Labour will panic and withdraw Lamont to avoid another humiliation?
If true will it mean Labour will panic and withdraw Lamont to avoid another humiliation?
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2012-06-05 09:17
I read that too, but the there is no corroboration from the BBC that I know of. Their QT website lists those in the original post above.
www.bbc.co.uk/.../b01jsxb3
www.bbc.co.uk/.../b01jsxb3
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2012-06-05 10:11
It was mentioned on last weeks QT that Kennedy would be on the panel,only name mentioned.
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2012-06-05 16:21
No time stamp on the change, but the Inverness QT link now lists:
in that order.
- Nicola Sturgeon
- Charles Kennedy
- Johann Lamont
- Lord Forsyth
- Melanie Phillips
- Alan Cumming
in that order.
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2012-06-05 09:41
"If true will it mean Labour will panic and withdraw Lamont to avoid another humiliation?"
Yeah, Lamont is not a good extemporaneous speaker, but if Sturgeon is the SNP spokesman Lamont and Alexander will badger her and talk through her. I'd prefer Swinney - good on the economy and banking & finance.
I would spend a deal of time bringing the issue of BBC bias to the fore. The four to one Unionist to nationalist advantage makes for great optics if properly exploited.
It should be addressed in terms of the need for useful dialog, and that this imbalance in representation must be resolved before honest and fair debate can be had in the public space.
How was it possible that the BBC contrived to have four Unionists and one nationalist on the panel? Suggest to Dimbleby that this imbalance evinces either Unionist bias or gross incompetence, and invite him to tell the audience which it is.
Yeah, Lamont is not a good extemporaneous speaker, but if Sturgeon is the SNP spokesman Lamont and Alexander will badger her and talk through her. I'd prefer Swinney - good on the economy and banking & finance.
I would spend a deal of time bringing the issue of BBC bias to the fore. The four to one Unionist to nationalist advantage makes for great optics if properly exploited.
It should be addressed in terms of the need for useful dialog, and that this imbalance in representation must be resolved before honest and fair debate can be had in the public space.
How was it possible that the BBC contrived to have four Unionists and one nationalist on the panel? Suggest to Dimbleby that this imbalance evinces either Unionist bias or gross incompetence, and invite him to tell the audience which it is.
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2012-06-05 13:26
Dimbleby's response will simply be that QT is a UK-wide programme and that the panel's make-up reflects the UK, not Scotland.
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2012-06-05 12:37
Excellent post Christian. You're right, this is totally unacceptable and the YES Camp MUST do more to prevent these things from happening.
If the Scotsman article is correct and the BBC is making changes then that demonstrates the power of NNS and the YES Voice.
Another tactic to draw maximum attention to this bias would be for the YES Camp to withdraw at the last possible second presenting an empty chair and an excuse for a YES Camp spokesman to explain why they had withdrawn their representative.
Let's keep up the pressure. VOTE YES in 2014
If the Scotsman article is correct and the BBC is making changes then that demonstrates the power of NNS and the YES Voice.
Another tactic to draw maximum attention to this bias would be for the YES Camp to withdraw at the last possible second presenting an empty chair and an excuse for a YES Camp spokesman to explain why they had withdrawn their representative.
Let's keep up the pressure. VOTE YES in 2014
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2012-06-05 08:27
The Proof of the Pudding !. Don't trust the BBC in Scotland one inch. They won't change having unionists in the studio with the SNP contibuter on video link any time soon and the SNP fall for it, every time. More fool them.
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2012-06-05 08:38
So now the broader media.
Example; Lesley Riddoch did an editorial in the Scotsman blog with a softly written article on BBC bias.
Someone added to the blog that he was surprised that there were so few comments added to Lesley's input.
She need not be disappointed as many more tried to join her comments but were hit with a "Inappropriate comment" block by the Scotsman.
So her comments would have been more popular if anyone ( inc me!) who tried to show the BBC bias in all it's glory was actually allowed to comment. Alas Scotman stereotype kicks in and spoils the thread by savagely editing anything anti BBC.
So what was the point of allowing Lesley's comments in the first place.
The "Scotsman" like the BBC is an embarrassment and affront to the Scottish people.
Example; Lesley Riddoch did an editorial in the Scotsman blog with a softly written article on BBC bias.
Someone added to the blog that he was surprised that there were so few comments added to Lesley's input.
She need not be disappointed as many more tried to join her comments but were hit with a "Inappropriate comment" block by the Scotsman.
So her comments would have been more popular if anyone ( inc me!) who tried to show the BBC bias in all it's glory was actually allowed to comment. Alas Scotman stereotype kicks in and spoils the thread by savagely editing anything anti BBC.
So what was the point of allowing Lesley's comments in the first place.
The "Scotsman" like the BBC is an embarrassment and affront to the Scottish people.
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2012-06-05 08:40
These guidelines on there own are meaningless as they will only apply to reporters and BBC staff, all they have to do to get around them is to get the person being interviewed i.e. Lamont, Davidson Rennie etc to spout off whatever they like. They will probably rehearse their scripts before the programmes goes on air
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2012-06-05 08:59
Now we are told that QT is an independent production and that David D is not an employee of the BBC - similarly we were told that Jackie Bird was also not an employee of the BBC when she did everything possible to slight the SNP and Alex Salmond in her snide quips on the same BBC and in the Daily Retard column.
The poor BBC is therefore being done an injustice by these non-employee types who use the BBC's broadcasting power to spew whatever types of offensive bile they feel up to.
Well slap my thigh, but I thought the piper called the tune - and wee Joe MacPublic is certainly paying that same piper!
The poor BBC is therefore being done an injustice by these non-employee types who use the BBC's broadcasting power to spew whatever types of offensive bile they feel up to.
Well slap my thigh, but I thought the piper called the tune - and wee Joe MacPublic is certainly paying that same piper!
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2012-06-05 09:07
The simple and only answer to this intractable difficulty is for Scotland to control her own airwaves.
Foreigners, especially those with an agenda contrary to Scottish interests, will continue to act in line with their paymasters desires.
The remnants of an empire look at their emerging true public world status and recoil in horror.
It's all down to 'Cause & Effect' and can only be delayed, but not reversed.
Foreigners, especially those with an agenda contrary to Scottish interests, will continue to act in line with their paymasters desires.
The remnants of an empire look at their emerging true public world status and recoil in horror.
It's all down to 'Cause & Effect' and can only be delayed, but not reversed.
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2012-06-05 09:24
I am looking forward to Question time on thursday and if our unionist friends produce their normal scary story tactics, their lies and decit will be in full view of the general public. And when we and our Scottish government knock them down one by one, they will not be able to denie what they have said on public TV.
I mean look at what they are putting in front of us, Danny Alexander, Michael Forsyth and Johann Lamont, whats the bets they will have both feet in their mouths before the end of the night, let them loose they will be worth a few thousand more yes votes by the end of the night.
Vote YES, Vote Scotland.
I mean look at what they are putting in front of us, Danny Alexander, Michael Forsyth and Johann Lamont, whats the bets they will have both feet in their mouths before the end of the night, let them loose they will be worth a few thousand more yes votes by the end of the night.
Vote YES, Vote Scotland.
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2012-06-06 13:13
Agreed, as much as it is right to take the BBC to task on bias, it's a shame to give up such a good recruitment tool.
Had they kept it 5 v 1 and that one not even a politicain we might have had enough outrage to bring a few more thousand to our cause,(Just like we do every time Cameron opens his muth!) As it is, Forsyth will be frothing and Lamont' a heidbanger so think we'll do alright.
Charlie Ken does worry me a bit though..
Had they kept it 5 v 1 and that one not even a politicain we might have had enough outrage to bring a few more thousand to our cause,(Just like we do every time Cameron opens his muth!) As it is, Forsyth will be frothing and Lamont' a heidbanger so think we'll do alright.
Charlie Ken does worry me a bit though..
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2012-06-05 09:29
This so called 'carpeting' is only scratching at the surface and is only to be seen to be doing something. As for the biased anti Scottish bile spewed out on their radio 4 'any questions' prgrammes by Deech, Murray et al, as just one example, any criticism was brushed off and swept away, with 'nonsense' and nothing untoward is ever found against them no matter what.
What we have is a propagandist mouthpiece on behalf of the British State doing all it can to thward democracy in Scotland. Their coverage of the Jubilee will leave you in no doubt as to where their vested interests lie. Its plain for the Scottish people to see.
No, this is a sop and a cop out from Lord Patten, a crumb from the main table to the paupers up north and all it reinforces is that the EBC does have a reputation in Scotland in 2012 and its lying in tatters.
On the subject of question time this thursday, still heard nothing back in the way of emails from any one in the SNP to confirm one way or another if they wee approached by the EBC to appear. We should get the word out by internet links, word of mouth etc to inform as many as possible what the Unionists are planning for thursday in Inverness. If this were in my neck of the woods i would have no trouble organising a protest at the venue to voice our opposition to them.
What we have is a propagandist mouthpiece on behalf of the British State doing all it can to thward democracy in Scotland. Their coverage of the Jubilee will leave you in no doubt as to where their vested interests lie. Its plain for the Scottish people to see.
No, this is a sop and a cop out from Lord Patten, a crumb from the main table to the paupers up north and all it reinforces is that the EBC does have a reputation in Scotland in 2012 and its lying in tatters.
On the subject of question time this thursday, still heard nothing back in the way of emails from any one in the SNP to confirm one way or another if they wee approached by the EBC to appear. We should get the word out by internet links, word of mouth etc to inform as many as possible what the Unionists are planning for thursday in Inverness. If this were in my neck of the woods i would have no trouble organising a protest at the venue to voice our opposition to them.
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2012-06-05 09:32
If this is what top-level talks get then what hope is there of real improvement. One thing it proves is that Patten is coasting. Used to be a good man. Who really makes the decisions?
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2012-06-05 21:29
Patten - a good man? Don't think so.
Committed Thatcherite. He did Scotland down back then and would do so again. That's why he's in his present job.
Committed Thatcherite. He did Scotland down back then and would do so again. That's why he's in his present job.
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2012-06-05 09:33
I always felt that the SNP would have to raise their game with BBC Scotland.
Not to do so would let BBC Scotland think they had carte blanche.
Not to do so would let BBC Scotland think they had carte blanche.
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2012-06-05 09:41
How many of the audience at Inverness will have been bused in specially for the program ?.
When last in Edinburgh at a church building close to where I lived I recognised no-one in the sudience and few if any had Edinburgh accents ?.
Just an observation no xenophobia intended !.
When last in Edinburgh at a church building close to where I lived I recognised no-one in the sudience and few if any had Edinburgh accents ?.
Just an observation no xenophobia intended !.
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2012-06-05 09:58
OT a bit
I've been puzzled why BBC Scotland coverage of the Jubilee celebrations this weekend has focused on Edinburgh with no Glasgow coverage what so ever.
So I checked STV news.
STV provide a map of the Orange Order marches which took place this weekend, all 22 of them!
Only 8 applications for Jubilee street parties.
I understand that at least 2 of these Jubilee parties were organised by the Orange Order with council funding, if that's wrong please correct me??
"Thousands expected at Orange walks in Glasgow over Queen's Jubilee weekend"
bit.ly/NrYU90
The language of BBC Scotland is also heard when they don't speak!
I've been puzzled why BBC Scotland coverage of the Jubilee celebrations this weekend has focused on Edinburgh with no Glasgow coverage what so ever.
So I checked STV news.
STV provide a map of the Orange Order marches which took place this weekend, all 22 of them!
Only 8 applications for Jubilee street parties.
I understand that at least 2 of these Jubilee parties were organised by the Orange Order with council funding, if that's wrong please correct me??
"Thousands expected at Orange walks in Glasgow over Queen's Jubilee weekend"
bit.ly/NrYU90
The language of BBC Scotland is also heard when they don't speak!
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2012-06-05 10:27
UpSpake on observations, not xenophobia;
Call Kaye this morning: the two "knowledgeable ones" brought on to advise, both have English accents. And this occurs repeatedly.
Weather reports? Since Heather left the scene BBC Scotland radio and TV seem to have subcontracted the service to England going by the accents.
Reports declare a small percentage of English people living in Scotland but a preponderence are called as pundits by BBC Scotland. English people are welcome and contribute to Scotland and I'm absolutely not calling for some preference to Scots on radio and TV punditry, but is there an intended message that an English accent correlates with expertise?
Xenophobic me?
Call Kaye this morning: the two "knowledgeable ones" brought on to advise, both have English accents. And this occurs repeatedly.
Weather reports? Since Heather left the scene BBC Scotland radio and TV seem to have subcontracted the service to England going by the accents.
Reports declare a small percentage of English people living in Scotland but a preponderence are called as pundits by BBC Scotland. English people are welcome and contribute to Scotland and I'm absolutely not calling for some preference to Scots on radio and TV punditry, but is there an intended message that an English accent correlates with expertise?
Xenophobic me?
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2012-06-05 10:47
Probably not so much a Scottish-English thing as a class thing. If you hear a working class accent on the BBC it's either a 'bad' character or a public sector advert for benefits, etc.
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2012-06-05 10:38
It's a small but I think important victory. It gives something to point at to show the insidious nature of propaganda at the BBC. It shows they concede that they have not been impartial. That's the thin end of the wedge (if I can steal a Sir Humphreyism) - it's the crack that can be used to leverage greater awareness of the generally broken nature of the broadcaster.
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2012-06-05 10:42
I'm maybe searching for positives but the BBC news website again has a lead story with Alex Salmond
bbc.co.uk/.../...
"Salmond hails affection for Queen"
with no negative spin on his comments just straight reporting.
This is the second time in the last few days that they have led with Salmond without any adverse comments.
Changed times or are the regular writers of the website off celebrating the Jubilee and an unbiased BBC employee has seized his chance?
bbc.co.uk/.../...
"Salmond hails affection for Queen"
with no negative spin on his comments just straight reporting.
This is the second time in the last few days that they have led with Salmond without any adverse comments.
Changed times or are the regular writers of the website off celebrating the Jubilee and an unbiased BBC employee has seized his chance?
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2012-06-05 12:12
Or maybe they think it will damage the First Minister's standing in the SNP? Some are republican, after all.
Or, it could be they are building "evidence" of straight reporting (on innocuous issues of no significance to the debate)to add weight to their "impartiality"?
If it was "Salmond hails affection for (leader of small, independent country)" say, during a visit or function, it would no doubt be slanted "differently".
Or, it could be they are building "evidence" of straight reporting (on innocuous issues of no significance to the debate)to add weight to their "impartiality"?
If it was "Salmond hails affection for (leader of small, independent country)" say, during a visit or function, it would no doubt be slanted "differently".
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2012-06-06 13:18
yes, option two.
There was another article in which BBC spokesman claimed comments were absolutely not closed down for Scottish articles. My jaw hit the floor at the barefaced lying! The only way they can claim that is if they say they were never opened!
There was another article in which BBC spokesman claimed comments were absolutely not closed down for Scottish articles. My jaw hit the floor at the barefaced lying! The only way they can claim that is if they say they were never opened!
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2012-06-05 13:41
Maybe it has more to do with being a pro-queenie story than an Alex Salmond story?
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2012-06-05 11:24
Agree with Vellofello. I and friends and family have noticed the same trend for quite a while. My conclusion has been that there are two factors involved.One is that BBC Scotland is so weak and useless that they are 'persuaded' possibly on the grounds of budget (i.e. existing pool from BBC subcontractors down south), to hire in these English experts, who often do not have Scottish based evidence to back up their 'knowledge'. Secondly, I agree that there is a deliberate policy, which has existed ever since the BBC was founded to make non-RP speakers to feel inferior and therefore subordinate.This continues in the context of English experts and presenters being disproportionat ely represented on our Scottish screens. Zenophobia does not come into it..Imperialism does!
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2012-06-05 13:02
In my complete ignorance of these things, but someone recently said to me that continuity at the BBC is handled by a private company or pooled because the function lends itself to that.
If that is true, does the same apply to the weather? Seems a lot of what people thought were BBC employees (like Bird) are not, presumably free-lancers.
If that is true, does the same apply to the weather? Seems a lot of what people thought were BBC employees (like Bird) are not, presumably free-lancers.
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2012-06-05 15:50
Jackie Bird is freelance or contracted to the BBC. This was revealed some time ago vis-a-vis he commercial activities and political bias (if my memory is still working) wrt the Daily Record.>
Incidentally he Ex was Editor if the Scottish Sun edition and may perhaps, allegedly, who knows, have some future problems with the Rubicon crossing his path quite soon?
Incidentally he Ex was Editor if the Scottish Sun edition and may perhaps, allegedly, who knows, have some future problems with the Rubicon crossing his path quite soon?
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2012-06-05 11:36
A completely meaningless and empty gesture from the BBC. Even if the will were there from management to enforce these 'guidelines' (can guidelines be enforced?), BBC Scotland will simply give unfettered access to Lamont, Davidson and Rennie to continue to use terms like 'separation', 'separatists' and in Lamont's case, 'shepratishtical s'.
Meanwhile the real work e.g. loading Question Time panels five to one (including Dimbleby) in favour of Unionism goes on unhindered..
Meanwhile the real work e.g. loading Question Time panels five to one (including Dimbleby) in favour of Unionism goes on unhindered..
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2012-06-05 13:44
Hey... wasn't QT production supposed to be moving to Glasgow? In that case wouldn't these "guideline" apply?
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2012-06-05 11:37
I am posting this here as well as another thread in the hope that someone can give me an answer to my question.....
Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I can see / read the SNP have made no statement regarding whether they were even invited to participate. I have asked four prominent SNP mp's and msp's about this but have recieved no response.
Why don't the SNP clarify this question about question time.
I am a little suspicious of the reason for continued silence.
Just tell us (me anyway)
Were the SNP invited to participate or not?
Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I can see / read the SNP have made no statement regarding whether they were even invited to participate. I have asked four prominent SNP mp's and msp's about this but have recieved no response.
Why don't the SNP clarify this question about question time.
I am a little suspicious of the reason for continued silence.
Just tell us (me anyway)
Were the SNP invited to participate or not?
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2012-06-05 11:52
Actually Cumming strictly speaking isn't from the Nationalist camp but the Independence camp. Since he isn't a professional Unionist politician unlike the "invited?" others who have been bought and sold for London Gold!
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2012-06-05 11:55
Recently a protest demonstration was held outside Pacific Quay.Whilst this was successful, it was attended by to few people.
I propose that a start is made now to organise a large demonstration that must last long enough and be loud enough to attract the nations of Europe to see what is happening to the "Trusted BBC". Whilst it should be loud it should not be abusive and carry no element that will bring it into disrepute.
Time should be taken to organise properly and a date chosen that makes it easy for interested Scots to attend. It would be advantageous if another of the Propaganda activities were under way at that time.
As a retired eighty year old, now living in Portugal it will be difficult for me to attend personally but if enough notice is given then I will make every effort to be there.
I propose that a start is made now to organise a large demonstration that must last long enough and be loud enough to attract the nations of Europe to see what is happening to the "Trusted BBC". Whilst it should be loud it should not be abusive and carry no element that will bring it into disrepute.
Time should be taken to organise properly and a date chosen that makes it easy for interested Scots to attend. It would be advantageous if another of the Propaganda activities were under way at that time.
As a retired eighty year old, now living in Portugal it will be difficult for me to attend personally but if enough notice is given then I will make every effort to be there.
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2012-06-05 12:12
Tell you what, if the BBC agrees to swap sides and become the broadcasting arm of the independence movement until 2014 I'll be prepared to face possibly a stern "carpeting" if I continue to call them names.
Not much of a deal from their point of view is it?
Not much of a deal from their point of view is it?
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2012-06-05 12:25
I often comment on the medias use of English experts in relation to Scotland.
1 I cannot understand these thick English accents.
2 Why are you broadcasting from England.
3 Bet you wish you were a real journalist instead of reading that garbage off your screen that you get sent up from London.
nothing is ever read out or is allowed on blogs
1 I cannot understand these thick English accents.
2 Why are you broadcasting from England.
3 Bet you wish you were a real journalist instead of reading that garbage off your screen that you get sent up from London.
nothing is ever read out or is allowed on blogs
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2012-06-05 12:32
POST - ON TOPIC AND FOR INFORMATION OF ALL NEWSNET READERS
My name is DAVID MILLIGAN, most of you know me as Saltire Groppenslosh and I have a strategy to deal with the BBC in Scotland.
This post will be necessarily quite long because of what I've got to say.
I have had enough of the BBC's bias, 21st century propaganda tactics and spin. The idea of protesting at Pacific Quay is pointless as even if you could get the numbers above 5000 where other news services would get interested, there is always the very real chance that "persons" with another agenda could stand beside you looking for the chance to cause trouble. At the first smell of trouble you can be assured that the BBC would run a camera crew out and I can just see the headlines now "NUTTER NATIONALISTS". It would stop the movement and our assured chances of getting a yes vote in the referendum in one fell swoop because you would have turned off the majority of folk who are non-political The BBC would have the best of fun with it. In fact, it has probably been discussed how to play this scenario out in BBC inner meetings, I know I would have planned for every conceivable move of the enemy, so you can be assured that they have.
I have watched for a long time as this organisation gets away with it time after time and as I said, I have come up with a strategy to deal with them and if you're interested I'll lay it out for you.
The BBC have a reputation abroad which is second to none. In most of the countries that you could go to they are seen as the bastion of honesty and truth and for a lot of people they are whiter than the driven snow.
That reputation is worth money, an amount that dwarfs the licence fee of every Scottish household added together. If every household in Scotland stopped paying their licence, Westminster would most definitely guarantee the loss of that money to the BBC to ensure that there was still an effective propaganda device in the corner of every living-room. The BBC are that important to the plans of the establishment.
The only way to hurt the BBC effectively is in their big hip pocket which is their reputation abroad. How would it play out abroad if the high reputation of the BBC was smudged by stories coming out about how they are actively using 21st century propaganda to quell the population of Scotland and keep them from learning the facts so that they wouldn't vote to break up the united kingdom. At first the reports would be sporadic and easy to shrug off but in a concerted campaign it wouldn't be so easy.
So that brings me to the strategy which is simple;-
1. Collate stories and evidence of BBC bias and propaganda tactics
2. At the same time make contact with TV and Paper based news services around the world to attract them to the story
The strategy is to get as many stories published abroad and put the BBC hierarchy in a "neckhold" due to the demise of their reputation. Our wish is simple, to get them to behave as a balanced broadcaster and allow the Scottish people access to stories and information that would never be allowed through their filters.
It can only work if we have got ready and willing hands to do the work. There's is already a team doing this and taking that the group birth happened on the day of the Scottish Independence Debate in Holyrood, it's still only a few days old.
At the moment our group has collected at a facebook page called "GET THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY".
I'm on a recruitment campaign here as we need many, many more hands all beavering away making contact with international newsgroups.
If you've read this far, you'll realise that the problem requires this strategy to work and that all other startegies whilst amirable are poised to fail.
This may have been tried in the past but the problem with plans like this is concerted effort by a lot of bodies - we wont let it happen this time as the issue is too critical to ignore.
The BBC know that if the output is balanced, Scotland will most definitely gain its independence, so we have to win this battle.
This post is for information only and I wont be debating with anyone whether we should do such a thing - it's already started. PLEASE HELP, AS A STRONG RESPONSE HAS THE GREATEST CHANCE OF A QUICK OUTCOME.
If you wish to know more then I will be on Radio Free Scotland next tuesday at 9pm where I'll be having a chat with the guys. In the meantime thank you for your help. And I thank the Newsnet Scotland team for allowing me this impromptu forum.
My name is DAVID MILLIGAN, most of you know me as Saltire Groppenslosh and I have a strategy to deal with the BBC in Scotland.
This post will be necessarily quite long because of what I've got to say.
I have had enough of the BBC's bias, 21st century propaganda tactics and spin. The idea of protesting at Pacific Quay is pointless as even if you could get the numbers above 5000 where other news services would get interested, there is always the very real chance that "persons" with another agenda could stand beside you looking for the chance to cause trouble. At the first smell of trouble you can be assured that the BBC would run a camera crew out and I can just see the headlines now "NUTTER NATIONALISTS". It would stop the movement and our assured chances of getting a yes vote in the referendum in one fell swoop because you would have turned off the majority of folk who are non-political The BBC would have the best of fun with it. In fact, it has probably been discussed how to play this scenario out in BBC inner meetings, I know I would have planned for every conceivable move of the enemy, so you can be assured that they have.
I have watched for a long time as this organisation gets away with it time after time and as I said, I have come up with a strategy to deal with them and if you're interested I'll lay it out for you.
The BBC have a reputation abroad which is second to none. In most of the countries that you could go to they are seen as the bastion of honesty and truth and for a lot of people they are whiter than the driven snow.
That reputation is worth money, an amount that dwarfs the licence fee of every Scottish household added together. If every household in Scotland stopped paying their licence, Westminster would most definitely guarantee the loss of that money to the BBC to ensure that there was still an effective propaganda device in the corner of every living-room. The BBC are that important to the plans of the establishment.
The only way to hurt the BBC effectively is in their big hip pocket which is their reputation abroad. How would it play out abroad if the high reputation of the BBC was smudged by stories coming out about how they are actively using 21st century propaganda to quell the population of Scotland and keep them from learning the facts so that they wouldn't vote to break up the united kingdom. At first the reports would be sporadic and easy to shrug off but in a concerted campaign it wouldn't be so easy.
So that brings me to the strategy which is simple;-
1. Collate stories and evidence of BBC bias and propaganda tactics
2. At the same time make contact with TV and Paper based news services around the world to attract them to the story
The strategy is to get as many stories published abroad and put the BBC hierarchy in a "neckhold" due to the demise of their reputation. Our wish is simple, to get them to behave as a balanced broadcaster and allow the Scottish people access to stories and information that would never be allowed through their filters.
It can only work if we have got ready and willing hands to do the work. There's is already a team doing this and taking that the group birth happened on the day of the Scottish Independence Debate in Holyrood, it's still only a few days old.
At the moment our group has collected at a facebook page called "GET THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY".
I'm on a recruitment campaign here as we need many, many more hands all beavering away making contact with international newsgroups.
If you've read this far, you'll realise that the problem requires this strategy to work and that all other startegies whilst amirable are poised to fail.
This may have been tried in the past but the problem with plans like this is concerted effort by a lot of bodies - we wont let it happen this time as the issue is too critical to ignore.
The BBC know that if the output is balanced, Scotland will most definitely gain its independence, so we have to win this battle.
This post is for information only and I wont be debating with anyone whether we should do such a thing - it's already started. PLEASE HELP, AS A STRONG RESPONSE HAS THE GREATEST CHANCE OF A QUICK OUTCOME.
If you wish to know more then I will be on Radio Free Scotland next tuesday at 9pm where I'll be having a chat with the guys. In the meantime thank you for your help. And I thank the Newsnet Scotland team for allowing me this impromptu forum.
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2012-06-05 13:01
Only one suggestion:---re-post this again in the evening----wider coverage.
All the Best.I'll be doing my bit(as above).
All the Best.I'll be doing my bit(as above).
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2012-06-05 13:22
Perhaps you could help by copying and pasting this at different times tonight and on diferent threads if NNS will allow.
Thanks,
Kindest regards,
David Milligan
Thanks,
Kindest regards,
David Milligan
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2012-06-05 13:08
Interesting tactic. I tried to access the facebook page but was there was none there.
More info would be appreciated please.
More info would be appreciated please.
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2012-06-05 13:15
I have no idea whether this link int facebook will work. If necessary copy and paste to you browser.
The name of the group is PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY. See you there and thank you for your help and to Dundonian West, I will repost this a few times.
facebook.com/.../...
The name of the group is PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY. See you there and thank you for your help and to Dundonian West, I will repost this a few times.
facebook.com/.../...
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2012-06-05 16:19
Okay, joining. I think we should pursue all options though, and I think 500 rather than 5000 would get the attention. For one thing the BBC report the SDL when they have about a hundred in their protests, bit difficult to ignore a much bigger one and not look like censorship.
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2012-06-06 13:28
What else the BBC campaign needs is co-ordinated demonstrations at all BBC offices. There was no way I was making it to the Glasgow one, but if one had been organised in Inverness I would hve made the effort. And which sunds better? 150 people deonstrated against the BBC in Glasgow or People across Scotland united to demonstrate against the BBC in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee and Inverness???
Also, so many programs are available to view online, an't we all just get rid of our TVs and watch programs via iPlayer, then tey wouldn't get any license money...
Also, so many programs are available to view online, an't we all just get rid of our TVs and watch programs via iPlayer, then tey wouldn't get any license money...
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2012-06-05 12:39
jafurn,
The Labour Party appear to use the tactic ,stay silent and give your opponents enough rope etc,perhaps the SNP are learning
The Labour Party appear to use the tactic ,stay silent and give your opponents enough rope etc,perhaps the SNP are learning
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2012-06-05 12:52
Quoting scottishwatersn otforsale:
Agreed but my worry is that after all the kerfuffle if it turns out that the SNP WERE invited and for WHATEVER reason declined it would make all the complaints seems 'stoopid' for want of a better word.
jafurn,
The Labour Party appear to use the tactic ,stay silent and give your opponents enough rope etc,perhaps the SNP are learning
Agreed but my worry is that after all the kerfuffle if it turns out that the SNP WERE invited and for WHATEVER reason declined it would make all the complaints seems 'stoopid' for want of a better word.
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2012-06-05 12:47
When Scotland regains it's independence,th e British Establishment can blame BBC Scotland,who by their crass ineptitude are raking in the votes to the YES Referendum.
That's when heads will roll at the top.
That's when heads will roll at the top.
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2012-06-05 13:00
Not only that #vellofello. Have you seen the BBC reporters out consulting vox pop in city centres? You’d expect at least 3 out of the 5 interviewed to have Scottish accents. They are, after all soliciting Scottish opinion on one piece of legislation or another from the indigenous population. You’ll usually get 4 out of 5 accents from south of the border. The worst one I saw was asking Scots in Edinburgh what they thought of the arrival of the pandas. Nearly all English.
I heard that interview with Alec Salmond this morning, #jim288, and he was asked at least three times why the Scots had not partied as much as the English at the Jubilee celebrations. He answered blandly that the Scots would have their chance when the Queen visited later in the year and that we had lit torches on Ben Nevis and Edinburgh castle.
Why couldn’t he just be honest and say, ‘Well, the London folk still think they’ve got an empire to run. The Scots know we haven’t’
I heard that interview with Alec Salmond this morning, #jim288, and he was asked at least three times why the Scots had not partied as much as the English at the Jubilee celebrations. He answered blandly that the Scots would have their chance when the Queen visited later in the year and that we had lit torches on Ben Nevis and Edinburgh castle.
Why couldn’t he just be honest and say, ‘Well, the London folk still think they’ve got an empire to run. The Scots know we haven’t’
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2012-06-05 16:31
I wish Alex Salmond had simply said that we do things differently here. We're being criticised for not emulating the English way of these things, so much for being free to be fully Scottish in the Union!
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2012-06-05 13:08
jafurn ,
I agree but without sounding swivel eyed,why put someone on 'National TV',like say Nicola Sturgeon, to take the hit,cos lets face it thats what would happen,when the camera can focus on say, Johan Lamont and she can explain clearly to 'The Nation' her vision......
I agree but without sounding swivel eyed,why put someone on 'National TV',like say Nicola Sturgeon, to take the hit,cos lets face it thats what would happen,when the camera can focus on say, Johan Lamont and she can explain clearly to 'The Nation' her vision......
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2012-06-05 13:17
I have no idea whether this link int facebook will work. If necessary copy and paste to you browser.
The name of the group is PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY. See you there and thank you for your help and to Dundonian West, I will repost this a few times.
facebook.com/.../...
The name of the group is PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY. See you there and thank you for your help and to Dundonian West, I will repost this a few times.
facebook.com/.../...
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2012-06-05 13:21
Dundonian West
Good question for the Referendum.
"Do you agree that Scotland should REGAIN it`s Independence?" That would pose a few historical questions in the minds of quite a few voters.
Good question for the Referendum.
"Do you agree that Scotland should REGAIN it`s Independence?" That would pose a few historical questions in the minds of quite a few voters.
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2012-06-05 13:42
Jeez!
Does that mean that Jackie Bird will have to find a new vocabulary
when she tries to denigrate the idea of Scottish independence, or Alex Salmond, or the SNP ?
Does that mean that Jackie Bird will have to find a new vocabulary
when she tries to denigrate the idea of Scottish independence, or Alex Salmond, or the SNP ?
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2012-06-05 13:55
"Unionists responded angrily to the announcement by the BBC of ‘language guidelines’ and have insisted that the corporation stop referring to the Government in London as the “Westminster Government”."
I wish you wouldn't write stuff like this without quotes or sources. It leads to the suspicion that by "Unionists" you just mean "some nutcases on Twitter", and that puts you in the same category as Labour politicians acting as though "cybernats" are official SNP spokesmen.
I wish you wouldn't write stuff like this without quotes or sources. It leads to the suspicion that by "Unionists" you just mean "some nutcases on Twitter", and that puts you in the same category as Labour politicians acting as though "cybernats" are official SNP spokesmen.
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2012-06-05 14:10
I imagine this has been lifted straight from the report in the Scottish Sun, which attributed the comment to "Labour politicians".
thescottishsun.co.uk/.../...
thescottishsun.co.uk/.../...
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2012-06-06 13:36
Interesting.
"The broadcaster has also faced criticism from Labour politicians north of the border who claim on-air references to the “Westminster Government” suggest the parliament is remote from Scots rather than a UK-wide institution. "
So if 500 miles away isn't remote where is? I guess this means an end to the additional delivery charges for things being sent to the highlands and Islands, because if Westmster isn't remote from us, we can't be remote from them.
"The broadcaster has also faced criticism from Labour politicians north of the border who claim on-air references to the “Westminster Government” suggest the parliament is remote from Scots rather than a UK-wide institution. "
So if 500 miles away isn't remote where is? I guess this means an end to the additional delivery charges for things being sent to the highlands and Islands, because if Westmster isn't remote from us, we can't be remote from them.
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2012-06-05 14:10
Saltire-Gropp...:Your proposal is well worth trying,I'll need no1 son to guide me.
What is the waveband and setting for Radio Free Scotland anyone?
i'm not so sure of the BBC's fame overseas. I cannot remember in which country I picked up the local expression "On my word as an Englishman" when a cock and bull story was being related.
What is the waveband and setting for Radio Free Scotland anyone?
i'm not so sure of the BBC's fame overseas. I cannot remember in which country I picked up the local expression "On my word as an Englishman" when a cock and bull story was being related.
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2012-06-05 14:34
Try these for a start:
I intend to tune in myself on the Tuesday night.
www.radiofreescotland.com/
www.youtube.com/.../
I intend to tune in myself on the Tuesday night.
www.radiofreescotland.com/
www.youtube.com/.../
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2012-06-05 14:37
Here it is Vellofello, and join the facebook group as we need all the hands that we can get.
Radio Free Scotland
www.radiofreescotland.com/.../
PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY
facebook.com/.../...
Radio Free Scotland
www.radiofreescotland.com/.../
PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY
facebook.com/.../...
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2012-06-05 16:25
It's the English/British establishment that can't be trusted, let's not tar ordinary English people with the same brush. Remember, they're getting the same jubilee propaganda about the whole country being jubilee mad, as we are today.
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2012-06-05 14:39
POST - ON TOPIC AND FOR INFORMATION OF ALL NEWSNET READERS
My name is DAVID MILLIGAN, most of you know me as Saltire Groppenslosh and I have a strategy to deal with the BBC in Scotland.
This post will be necessarily quite long because of what I've got to say.
I have had enough of the BBC's bias, 21st century propaganda tactics and spin. The idea of protesting at Pacific Quay is pointless as even if you could get the numbers above 5000 where other news services would get interested, there is always the very real chance that "persons" with another agenda could stand beside you looking for the chance to cause trouble. At the first smell of trouble you can be assured that the BBC would run a camera crew out and I can just see the headlines now "NUTTER NATIONALISTS". It would stop the movement and our assured chances of getting a yes vote in the referendum in one fell swoop because you would have turned off the majority of folk who are non-political The BBC would have the best of fun with it. In fact, it has probably been discussed how to play this scenario out in BBC inner meetings, I know I would have planned for every conceivable move of the enemy, so you can be assured that they have.
I have watched for a long time as this organisation gets away with it time after time and as I said, I have come up with a strategy to deal with them and if you're interested I'll lay it out for you.
The BBC have a reputation abroad which is second to none. In most of the countries that you could go to they are seen as the bastion of honesty and truth and for a lot of people they are whiter than the driven snow.
That reputation is worth money, an amount that dwarfs the licence fee of every Scottish household added together. If every household in Scotland stopped paying their licence, Westminster would most definitely guarantee the loss of that money to the BBC to ensure that there was still an effective propaganda device in the corner of every living-room. The BBC are that important to the plans of the establishment.
The only way to hurt the BBC effectively is in their big hip pocket which is their reputation abroad. How would it play out abroad if the high reputation of the BBC was smudged by stories coming out about how they are actively using 21st century propaganda to quell the population of Scotland and keep them from learning the facts so that they wouldn't vote to break up the united kingdom. At first the reports would be sporadic and easy to shrug off but in a concerted campaign it wouldn't be so easy.
So that brings me to the strategy which is simple;-
1. Collate stories and evidence of BBC bias and propaganda tactics
2. At the same time make contact with TV and Paper based news services around the world to attract them to the story
The strategy is to get as many stories published abroad and put the BBC hierarchy in a "neckhold" due to the demise of their reputation. Our wish is simple, to get them to behave as a balanced broadcaster and allow the Scottish people access to stories and information that would never be allowed through their filters.
It can only work if we have got ready and willing hands to do the work. There's is already a team doing this and taking that the group birth happened on the day of the Scottish Independence Debate in Holyrood, it's still only a few days old.
At the moment our group has collected at a facebook page called "PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY".
I'm on a recruitment campaign here as we need many, many more hands all beavering away making contact with international newsgroups.
If you've read this far, you'll realise that the problem requires this strategy to work and that all other startegies whilst amirable are poised to fail.
This may have been tried in the past but the problem with plans like this is concerted effort by a lot of bodies - we wont let it happen this time as the issue is too critical to ignore.
The BBC know that if the output is balanced, Scotland will most definitely gain its independence, so we have to win this battle.
This post is for information only and I wont be debating with anyone whether we should do such a thing - it's already started. PLEASE HELP, AS A STRONG RESPONSE HAS THE GREATEST CHANCE OF A QUICK OUTCOME.
If you wish to know more then I will be on Radio Free Scotland next tuesday at 9pm where I'll be having a chat with the guys. In the meantime thank you for your help. And I thank the Newsnet Scotland team for allowing me this impromptu forum.
My name is DAVID MILLIGAN, most of you know me as Saltire Groppenslosh and I have a strategy to deal with the BBC in Scotland.
This post will be necessarily quite long because of what I've got to say.
I have had enough of the BBC's bias, 21st century propaganda tactics and spin. The idea of protesting at Pacific Quay is pointless as even if you could get the numbers above 5000 where other news services would get interested, there is always the very real chance that "persons" with another agenda could stand beside you looking for the chance to cause trouble. At the first smell of trouble you can be assured that the BBC would run a camera crew out and I can just see the headlines now "NUTTER NATIONALISTS". It would stop the movement and our assured chances of getting a yes vote in the referendum in one fell swoop because you would have turned off the majority of folk who are non-political The BBC would have the best of fun with it. In fact, it has probably been discussed how to play this scenario out in BBC inner meetings, I know I would have planned for every conceivable move of the enemy, so you can be assured that they have.
I have watched for a long time as this organisation gets away with it time after time and as I said, I have come up with a strategy to deal with them and if you're interested I'll lay it out for you.
The BBC have a reputation abroad which is second to none. In most of the countries that you could go to they are seen as the bastion of honesty and truth and for a lot of people they are whiter than the driven snow.
That reputation is worth money, an amount that dwarfs the licence fee of every Scottish household added together. If every household in Scotland stopped paying their licence, Westminster would most definitely guarantee the loss of that money to the BBC to ensure that there was still an effective propaganda device in the corner of every living-room. The BBC are that important to the plans of the establishment.
The only way to hurt the BBC effectively is in their big hip pocket which is their reputation abroad. How would it play out abroad if the high reputation of the BBC was smudged by stories coming out about how they are actively using 21st century propaganda to quell the population of Scotland and keep them from learning the facts so that they wouldn't vote to break up the united kingdom. At first the reports would be sporadic and easy to shrug off but in a concerted campaign it wouldn't be so easy.
So that brings me to the strategy which is simple;-
1. Collate stories and evidence of BBC bias and propaganda tactics
2. At the same time make contact with TV and Paper based news services around the world to attract them to the story
The strategy is to get as many stories published abroad and put the BBC hierarchy in a "neckhold" due to the demise of their reputation. Our wish is simple, to get them to behave as a balanced broadcaster and allow the Scottish people access to stories and information that would never be allowed through their filters.
It can only work if we have got ready and willing hands to do the work. There's is already a team doing this and taking that the group birth happened on the day of the Scottish Independence Debate in Holyrood, it's still only a few days old.
At the moment our group has collected at a facebook page called "PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY".
I'm on a recruitment campaign here as we need many, many more hands all beavering away making contact with international newsgroups.
If you've read this far, you'll realise that the problem requires this strategy to work and that all other startegies whilst amirable are poised to fail.
This may have been tried in the past but the problem with plans like this is concerted effort by a lot of bodies - we wont let it happen this time as the issue is too critical to ignore.
The BBC know that if the output is balanced, Scotland will most definitely gain its independence, so we have to win this battle.
This post is for information only and I wont be debating with anyone whether we should do such a thing - it's already started. PLEASE HELP, AS A STRONG RESPONSE HAS THE GREATEST CHANCE OF A QUICK OUTCOME.
If you wish to know more then I will be on Radio Free Scotland next tuesday at 9pm where I'll be having a chat with the guys. In the meantime thank you for your help. And I thank the Newsnet Scotland team for allowing me this impromptu forum.
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2012-06-05 14:41
I think velofello it may be an attempt to show how integrated we all are in this sceptred Isle of ours. An attempt to show how Britishness has taken hold in Scotland.
An attempt to show how impossible it would be to separate us at this late stage.
I've certainly noticed it therefore I'm sure the general population is getting the almost nightly message too and whereas I have many English friends, having lived in London for several years over the course of my life, I wonder just how many English are here and just how many of them have arrived in the past 5 years or so.
More importantly, is there enough of them to influence the vote in 2014? Having said that many that I know up here have said they are here for a better quality of life and support Independence.
Equally it may be an attempt to stampede cybernats into a string of intemperate posts. Worth keeping an eye on that's for sure.
VOTE YES 2014
An attempt to show how impossible it would be to separate us at this late stage.
I've certainly noticed it therefore I'm sure the general population is getting the almost nightly message too and whereas I have many English friends, having lived in London for several years over the course of my life, I wonder just how many English are here and just how many of them have arrived in the past 5 years or so.
More importantly, is there enough of them to influence the vote in 2014? Having said that many that I know up here have said they are here for a better quality of life and support Independence.
Equally it may be an attempt to stampede cybernats into a string of intemperate posts. Worth keeping an eye on that's for sure.
VOTE YES 2014
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2012-06-05 14:44
OK I have finally got an answer to my query (in a way
Yes Scotland @YesScotland
Alan Cumming and Nicola Sturgeon to appear on #BBCQT this week #YesScot
www.yesscotland.net/.../
Yes Scotland @YesScotland
Alan Cumming and Nicola Sturgeon to appear on #BBCQT this week #YesScot
www.yesscotland.net/.../
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2012-06-05 15:35
I see that according to that yesscotland site the poison dwarf from the daily mail isn't appearing.
And please Nicola don't let them talk over you, tell them to shut up and let you finish, and please no hostage to fortune remarks about things that MIGHT happen. Keep it simple and vague. And you CAN be rude to members of the audience when they start to ramble. Andrew Neil has a good ploy and usually asks, "is there a question in there somewhere?"
And please Nicola don't let them talk over you, tell them to shut up and let you finish, and please no hostage to fortune remarks about things that MIGHT happen. Keep it simple and vague. And you CAN be rude to members of the audience when they start to ramble. Andrew Neil has a good ploy and usually asks, "is there a question in there somewhere?"
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2012-06-05 17:10
I hope Nicola reads this piece of garbage by Melanie Philips before she goes on air. It should get her dander up big time!
dailymail.co.uk/.../...
dailymail.co.uk/.../...
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2012-06-05 14:45
O/T Scotland has beaten Australia 9 - 6 on their home turf. Well done the boys and of course our English hero, Andy Robertson who I have supported from day 1. We need his English confidence and determination.
I'm sure he'll get it right for next year's 6 Nations.
I'm sure he'll get it right for next year's 6 Nations.
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2012-06-05 15:04
I'm sure you also support Andy "Robinson" ButeHouse ;). The current Scotland manager....
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2012-06-05 14:47
Question time update
Deputy FM Nicola Sturgeon to appear alongside Alan Cumming.
www.yesscotland.net/.../
Needless to say the despicable BBC have not updated their web-page yet:
www.bbc.co.uk/.../b01jsxb3
Deputy FM Nicola Sturgeon to appear alongside Alan Cumming.
www.yesscotland.net/.../
Needless to say the despicable BBC have not updated their web-page yet:
www.bbc.co.uk/.../b01jsxb3
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2012-06-05 15:58
The despicable BBC have updated their web page..
"On the panel, Deputy First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon MSP,
the actor Alan Cumming."
Liberal Democrats Charles Kennedy MP,
Labour's Johann Lamont MSP,
Conservative .. Forsyth,
Daily Mail .. Melanie Phillips
Now the question is .. 6 panellists? is this normal?
One of those ... needs to receive the elbow.
"On the panel, Deputy First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon MSP,
the actor Alan Cumming."
Liberal Democrats Charles Kennedy MP,
Labour's Johann Lamont MSP,
Conservative .. Forsyth,
Daily Mail .. Melanie Phillips
Now the question is .. 6 panellists? is this normal?
One of those ... needs to receive the elbow.
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2012-06-05 16:05
The Question Time website has always been slow to update particularly since they moved the production team to Glasgow.
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2012-06-05 20:44
Yes, State TV is notorious. My Iranian colleague tells me BBC use - with respect to political broadcasting bias - very similar methods to that employed by IRIB in his home country. Same the world over I guess.
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2012-06-05 17:10
Quoting xyz:
Six is not normal and it seems that BBC has retreated following letter to Scotsman newspaper and complaints lodged at BBC by SNP supporters.
The despicable BBC have updated their web page..
"On the panel, Deputy First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon MSP,
the actor Alan Cumming."
Liberal Democrats Charles Kennedy MP,
Labour's Johann Lamont MSP,
Conservative .. Forsyth,
Daily Mail .. Melanie Phillips
Now the question is .. 6 panellists? is this normal?
One of those ... needs to receive the elbow.
Six is not normal and it seems that BBC has retreated following letter to Scotsman newspaper and complaints lodged at BBC by SNP supporters.
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2012-06-05 14:53
So the BBC has a reputation to uphold? So do the red light ladies of the night! The major difference is that the ladies of the red light are infinitely more honest about the service they provide!
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2012-06-05 15:52
On SKY's program guide it does not include Nicola's name yet; Probably because BBC has not bothered to tell them.
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2012-06-05 16:27
iain martin's column in today's online DT: SNP on the basck foot apparently!
Open for comments:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/.../...
Open for comments:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/.../...
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2012-06-05 16:44
From that Telegraph blog...
Quote:
...oh the irony!
Quote:
Being a compact, coherent nation state open to the outside world, which has excellent relations with its immediate neighbours but which is not prepared to be run by a supra-national body, sounds like a recipe for 21st century success.
...oh the irony!
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2012-06-05 17:43
I don't think they read this piece over very carefully before they printed it. He cites the weather as the reason for less Jubilee celebrations up here. And his last bit about the appetite for joining Europe waning while UK union is good just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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2012-06-05 18:32
Quoting Legerwood:
I skip read through the article but lost the will to live within a few seconds. Delusional garbage, does he actually get paid to write this stuff?
iain martin's column in today's online DT: SNP on the basck foot apparently!
Open for comments:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/.../...
I skip read through the article but lost the will to live within a few seconds. Delusional garbage, does he actually get paid to write this stuff?
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2012-06-05 16:28
Am I correct in assuming that none of the present "Main Stream News Media" wish to be part of "The Establishment" in an Independent Scotland?
Their present attitude could lead them into very lean times ahead bereft of Government notices, advertising and "Press Statements".
Their present attitude could lead them into very lean times ahead bereft of Government notices, advertising and "Press Statements".
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2012-06-05 17:43
Question Time still biased with 4 plus Dimbleby on the NO Scotland side.
Mind you Radio Scotland get some things right
well worth listening to James Robertson (starts one minute in) on Iplayer on Scotland Inspired to-day.
www.bbc.co.uk/.../b01jhjdl
Mind you Radio Scotland get some things right
well worth listening to James Robertson (starts one minute in) on Iplayer on Scotland Inspired to-day.
www.bbc.co.uk/.../b01jhjdl
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2012-06-05 19:15
What we need to do is keep banging the drum that the Unionist politicians have their eye on the Golden Ticket to Westminster, the Lords and/or self preservation. Lamont is so thick she will probably have her eye on becoming a pee'er and although they may deny it, let them explain this so called positive case for the Union as keep harping on about the past and stronger together is no argument for their case
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2012-06-05 19:37
Off topic... here's an amusing "North Korean" report of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations. Some of the links in the story lead to rather shocking news stories.
fleetstreetfox.com/.../...
fleetstreetfox.com/.../...
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2012-06-05 20:29
POST - ON TOPIC AND FOR INFORMATION OF ALL NEWSNET READERS
My name is DAVID MILLIGAN, most of you know me as Saltire Groppenslosh and I have a strategy to deal with the BBC in Scotland.
This post will be necessarily quite long because of what I've got to say.
I have had enough of the BBC's bias, 21st century propaganda tactics and spin. The idea of protesting at Pacific Quay is pointless as even if you could get the numbers above 5000 where other news services would get interested, there is always the very real chance that "persons" with another agenda could stand beside you looking for the chance to cause trouble. At the first smell of trouble you can be assured that the BBC would run a camera crew out and I can just see the headlines now "NUTTER NATIONALISTS". It would stop the movement and our assured chances of getting a yes vote in the referendum in one fell swoop because you would have turned off the majority of folk who are non-political The BBC would have the best of fun with it. In fact, it has probably been discussed how to play this scenario out in BBC inner meetings, I know I would have planned for every conceivable move of the enemy, so you can be assured that they have.
I have watched for a long time as this organisation gets away with it time after time and as I said, I have come up with a strategy to deal with them and if you're interested I'll lay it out for you.
The BBC have a reputation abroad which is second to none. In most of the countries that you could go to they are seen as the bastion of honesty and truth and for a lot of people they are whiter than the driven snow.
That reputation is worth money, an amount that dwarfs the licence fee of every Scottish household added together. If every household in Scotland stopped paying their licence, Westminster would most definitely guarantee the loss of that money to the BBC to ensure that there was still an effective propaganda device in the corner of every living-room. The BBC are that important to the plans of the establishment.
The only way to hurt the BBC effectively is in their big hip pocket which is their reputation abroad. How would it play out abroad if the high reputation of the BBC was smudged by stories coming out about how they are actively using 21st century propaganda to quell the population of Scotland and keep them from learning the facts so that they wouldn't vote to break up the united kingdom. At first the reports would be sporadic and easy to shrug off but in a concerted campaign it wouldn't be so easy.
So that brings me to the strategy which is simple;-
1. Collate stories and evidence of BBC bias and propaganda tactics
2. At the same time make contact with TV and Paper based news services around the world to attract them to the story
The strategy is to get as many stories published abroad and put the BBC hierarchy in a "neckhold" due to the demise of their reputation. Our wish is simple, to get them to behave as a balanced broadcaster and allow the Scottish people access to stories and information that would never be allowed through their filters.
It can only work if we have got ready and willing hands to do the work. There's is already a team doing this and taking that the group birth happened on the day of the Scottish Independence Debate in Holyrood, it's still only a few days old.
At the moment our group has collected at a facebook page called "GET THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY".
I'm on a recruitment campaign here as we need many, many more hands all beavering away making contact with international newsgroups.
If you've read this far, you'll realise that the problem requires this strategy to work and that all other startegies whilst amirable are poised to fail.
This may have been tried in the past but the problem with plans like this is concerted effort by a lot of bodies - we wont let it happen this time as the issue is too critical to ignore.
The BBC know that if the output is balanced, Scotland will most definitely gain its independence, so we have to win this battle.
This post is for information only and I wont be debating with anyone whether we should do such a thing - it's already started. PLEASE HELP, AS A STRONG RESPONSE HAS THE GREATEST CHANCE OF A QUICK OUTCOME.
If you wish to know more then I will be on Radio Free Scotland next tuesday at 9pm where I'll be having a chat with the guys. In the meantime thank you for your help. And I thank the Newsnet Scotland team for allowing me this impromptu forum.
My name is DAVID MILLIGAN, most of you know me as Saltire Groppenslosh and I have a strategy to deal with the BBC in Scotland.
This post will be necessarily quite long because of what I've got to say.
I have had enough of the BBC's bias, 21st century propaganda tactics and spin. The idea of protesting at Pacific Quay is pointless as even if you could get the numbers above 5000 where other news services would get interested, there is always the very real chance that "persons" with another agenda could stand beside you looking for the chance to cause trouble. At the first smell of trouble you can be assured that the BBC would run a camera crew out and I can just see the headlines now "NUTTER NATIONALISTS". It would stop the movement and our assured chances of getting a yes vote in the referendum in one fell swoop because you would have turned off the majority of folk who are non-political The BBC would have the best of fun with it. In fact, it has probably been discussed how to play this scenario out in BBC inner meetings, I know I would have planned for every conceivable move of the enemy, so you can be assured that they have.
I have watched for a long time as this organisation gets away with it time after time and as I said, I have come up with a strategy to deal with them and if you're interested I'll lay it out for you.
The BBC have a reputation abroad which is second to none. In most of the countries that you could go to they are seen as the bastion of honesty and truth and for a lot of people they are whiter than the driven snow.
That reputation is worth money, an amount that dwarfs the licence fee of every Scottish household added together. If every household in Scotland stopped paying their licence, Westminster would most definitely guarantee the loss of that money to the BBC to ensure that there was still an effective propaganda device in the corner of every living-room. The BBC are that important to the plans of the establishment.
The only way to hurt the BBC effectively is in their big hip pocket which is their reputation abroad. How would it play out abroad if the high reputation of the BBC was smudged by stories coming out about how they are actively using 21st century propaganda to quell the population of Scotland and keep them from learning the facts so that they wouldn't vote to break up the united kingdom. At first the reports would be sporadic and easy to shrug off but in a concerted campaign it wouldn't be so easy.
So that brings me to the strategy which is simple;-
1. Collate stories and evidence of BBC bias and propaganda tactics
2. At the same time make contact with TV and Paper based news services around the world to attract them to the story
The strategy is to get as many stories published abroad and put the BBC hierarchy in a "neckhold" due to the demise of their reputation. Our wish is simple, to get them to behave as a balanced broadcaster and allow the Scottish people access to stories and information that would never be allowed through their filters.
It can only work if we have got ready and willing hands to do the work. There's is already a team doing this and taking that the group birth happened on the day of the Scottish Independence Debate in Holyrood, it's still only a few days old.
At the moment our group has collected at a facebook page called "GET THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY".
I'm on a recruitment campaign here as we need many, many more hands all beavering away making contact with international newsgroups.
If you've read this far, you'll realise that the problem requires this strategy to work and that all other startegies whilst amirable are poised to fail.
This may have been tried in the past but the problem with plans like this is concerted effort by a lot of bodies - we wont let it happen this time as the issue is too critical to ignore.
The BBC know that if the output is balanced, Scotland will most definitely gain its independence, so we have to win this battle.
This post is for information only and I wont be debating with anyone whether we should do such a thing - it's already started. PLEASE HELP, AS A STRONG RESPONSE HAS THE GREATEST CHANCE OF A QUICK OUTCOME.
If you wish to know more then I will be on Radio Free Scotland next tuesday at 9pm where I'll be having a chat with the guys. In the meantime thank you for your help. And I thank the Newsnet Scotland team for allowing me this impromptu forum.
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2012-06-05 21:50
Slightly O/T guys - but if no one has already mentioned it " The BBC's Queen's jubilee propaganda failed in Scotland " An absolute cracker of a piece by Mike Small in The Guardian( IMHO )
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2012-06-05 21:53
Yes - there does seem to be a bit of a misfire in Scotland eh? I wonder why? (:D)
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2012-06-06 10:57
Here's the link
guardian.co.uk/.../...
Excellent article and comments are reasonable - at least as far as I went reading them.
guardian.co.uk/.../...
Excellent article and comments are reasonable - at least as far as I went reading them.
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2012-06-05 22:01
We can beat the BBC at its games by putting them under so much pressure. Join up for "PUSH THE BBC OFF PACIFIC QUAY" We need all the hands we can get. If we do get the hands we'll do it.
facebook.com/.../...
facebook.com/.../...
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2012-06-05 23:17
Back to Question time it is very rare that 6 guests are invited. Funnily enough it is the first time this year. Last year on 4 occasions 6 were invited and guess what Newport and Edinburgh made up half of the venues. Less time for the Nationalists to make their points.
en.wikipedia.org/.../...
en.wikipedia.org/.../...
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2012-06-06 09:10
Don't know about you but it's almost worrying to see signs of response, won't say panic, in the BBC.
Just how easy is it to sway the national broadcaster?
Just how easy is it to sway the national broadcaster?
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2012-06-06 09:34
On Question Time, there are now SEVEN on the panel as Alistair Darling has been added to back up Johann Lamont after Nicola Sturgeon was given a last minute place.
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2012-06-06 09:42
Quoting From The Suburbs:
The BBC Question Time site mentions everyone but Alistair Darling. Are you sure?
On Question Time, there are now SEVEN on the panel as Alistair Darling has been added to back up Johann Lamont after Nicola Sturgeon was given a last minute place.
The BBC Question Time site mentions everyone but Alistair Darling. Are you sure?
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2012-06-06 10:33
This was tweeted 2mins ago, no mention of Mr Darling
Tweets
3m BBC Question Time @bbcquestionti me
In Inverness tomorrow: @charles_kenned y ; @NicolaSturgeon ; Lord Michael Forsyth; @JohannLamont ; @Alancumming & Melanie Phillips #bbcqt
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In Inverness tomorrow: @charles_kenned y ; @NicolaSturgeon ; Lord Michael Forsyth; @JohannLamont ; @Alancumming & Melanie Phillips #bbcqt
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2012-06-06 13:08
BBC Sotland online striving bravely to include the SG responsible for the cause..yup we're impartially NOT
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2012-06-06 14:32
Why oh Why Nicola Sturgeon again? She's proved inadequate on the last two major appearances: Q.T and the Big (fraudulent) Debate. Can't the Nats come up with somebody less wooden and passive? It's better than leaving Alan Cumming to struggle against the vile opposition on his own, but not much. I certainly hope that I'm proved wrong, but we need somebody who's prepared to stand their ground, stop interruption from Dimblebore and the panel, and disarm any Unionist plants in the audience with strong clear answers. I'm afraid Nicola will have to step up her game for this one.
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2012-06-06 14:42
She did very well in the independence debate earlier this year, the one with Lesley Riddoch, Jim Wallace, and somebody (who?) from Labour. However, I agree that the SNP needs to vary its representation more on these shows. Perhaps a more local elected representative like Angus Robertson MP or Richard Lochhead MSP?
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