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  By Bob Duncan 

A leading American professor of international law has said that Scotland and the remainder of the UK (rUK) will be treated as "co-equal successor states" in the event of independence.

Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland, Professor David Scheffer suggested that both would be treated equally by the European Union in the event of a Yes vote in the independence referendum and that a "pathway" would be constructed to ensure continued membership of both with minimal upheaval.

Professor Scheffer (pictured), who is a former Special Advisor to Madeleine Albright at the United Nations and the first US Ambassador-at-large for War Crimes Issues during Bill Clinton's second term in office, now lectures at North Western University School of Law.

Speaking on Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme on Saturday he said that Scotland's transition into an independent member of the EU should be clear.

Responding to a question from GMS host Derek Bateman who asked if the rUK will become the successor state, the academic replied: "My argument quite frankly is that we have two co-equal successor states.

sceffer"The smart move is to say, 'look, if it happens - namely if the referendum actually, you know, achieves a 'Yes' vote for independence - there will be a path developed for the continued participation of the Scottish people and thus of the new nation of Scotland or the restored nation of Scotland in the European Union"

Professor Scheffer's comments contradict the views expressed by many Unionist politicians who continue to insist that a newly independent Scotland would be thrown out of the European Union and forced to re-apply - some have claimed that Scotland would be forced to adopt the euro.

They also claim that the rUK would simply carry on as normal, keeping all of the current UK's international agreements, treaties and obligations.

According to Professor Scheffer, the fact that both Scotland and England were independent states before the 1707 Acts of Union, with an equal partnership in Union since then, would lead to both Scotland and the rUK being seen as equal successor states if one of the partners chose to end the centuries old agreement.

He added: "We don't have a situation where – I'm going to call it the British government - the British government is the predecessor state that retains all of the rights, without any question whatsoever, that had been established through the Union.  And then Scotland is a successor state, somehow cast adrift, told to start from a clean slate, as some kind of new state."

He continued: "I will counter it, I think, with the more logical argument that the most appropriate way to handle the situation is to refer to each of the entities as successor states."

The contribution has been welcomed by Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon MSP, who said:

"This is an excellent and enlightened contribution by a man who has worked at the highest level in international law and politics.

"It will come as a huge blow to the anti-independence No camp politicians who know that the real threat to Scotland being ousted from Europe comes from remaining in the Westminster system.

"No serious person can argue that it is anything other than in the interests of the EU to keep Scotland in continuous membership, given this country's huge natural resources in energy and other aspects which make us such a valuable European partner."

"It is only a Yes vote for an independent Scotland at the referendum next year that will ensure Scotland's voice is always heard at the top tables of Europe."

Comments  

 
# Ken Mac 2013-01-20 13:59
This is a very important contribution. I have read more of this in the papers which major on the same points as the article here but I would encourage everyone to listen to the whole interview. His remarks about Barosso towards the end and his wider remarks about the EU are very interesting and ones which I must say gel exactly with my own thoughts.
 
 
# Ped 2013-01-20 14:36
Is odd how common sense arguments like this seem to get ignored. Instead of leaping all over ever conceivable utterance as proof of this or that the main stream media would be far better served by presenting calm analysis like this to the people.

Slightly off topic: Another positive article in the Observer this morning. I have read it a few times now as I am still looking for the catch.

guardian.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# clootie 2013-01-20 15:00
Ped

Thanks for the link. A very impressive summary which I would accept as a fair assessment. I just hope the penny drops soon for the voters who will decide the future of Scotland.
 
 
# graememcallan 2013-01-21 19:48
thanks for posting the link, Ped;-)))
 
 
# UpSpake 2013-01-20 14:40
Co-successor states. For no other reason than they entered the Treaty of Union as equal states. Terminate the Union by plebesite of by declaration one or both of the equal partners revert to being nation states ie that which they were and so constituted prior to their 'mutual' agreement to merge.
Not entirely rocket science is it ?.
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2013-01-20 15:08
Lot of experience in this opinion, but that's all it is, another lawyers opinion, welcome as it is for the sake of balance. But you don't need to be Einstein to figure that the EU is not in the business of getting rid of "members". That's what keeps untold nos. of lawyers among them at the gravy trough.
Of course the EU will bend over double backwards to make a smooth transition path for both Scotland and Lesser Britain to continue going with the flow in the EU. They would have to be as thick as two short planks to do anything else.
 
 
# mealer 2013-01-20 15:23
Ilistened to the full interview.I think it gives a very accurate picture of what things will be like should Scotland win the referendum.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2013-01-20 16:13
OT.Nicola Sturgeon has started a Referendum blog,--mentioning it here,as some may have missed it.
www.scotreferendum.com/blog/
 
 
# Ben Power 2013-01-20 17:19
So Rump UK as a successor state would have to renegotiate EU conditions.
Would that not be an advantage to the Tory and UKIP factions to get what they want out of the EU agreement.

If Westminster Torys and UKIP actually are serious about renegotiating with EU then it would also be to their advantage to not have Scotland as part of the UK.

Tongue in cheek.
 
 
# bringiton 2013-01-20 17:58
Yes,but they would be negotiating from a much weaker position from that of 40 years ago.
Little in the way of natural resources or fishing rights to swap for preferential treatment for the City of London institutions.
So,they (Westminster)ma y well end up with less than they currently bargain for.
 
 
# rapid 2013-01-20 18:09
you say tongue in cheek - but this could be a key negotiation lever with the Tory Westminster government who may wish to grease the wheels of Scottish independence with a side benefit of being able to blame Mr Darling and Labour for their Better Together campaign failure.

I heard Nigel Farrage on radio4 the other morning takling about some of the influence he has with Tory back benchers whilst freely admitting that he'd never be in 10 downing street.

I think the folks who read this blog have already realised that this is going to be very complex so I'm stating the bloody obvious - but we've all got to help reduce that complexity to forward momentum and positivity for the rest of the voters who are genuinely worried about change.
 
 
# ButeHouse 2013-01-20 18:08
o/t n amazingly positive article from self confessed unionist Kevin McKenna in the Guardian.

Well worth a read:

guardian.co.uk/.../...


VOTE YES Next Year
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2013-01-20 20:18
Infinitely more interesting were Professor David Scheffers remarks regarding the current UK seat on the UN Permanent Security Council. That looks certain to be in jeopardy following Scottish Independence. Westminsters prize status symbol sounds to me like it will be in dire straights, ie gone. I've not seen much comment at all on that little gem, and I very much doubt that many UN members will stand still for a shared seat between Scotland and Lesser Britain, as hinted at by the good prof. No doubt the USA will fight tooth and nail or pay any price for Israel to replace Westminster, but that will also go the Craw Road.
 
 
# 1314 2013-01-20 23:23
As you say Jim - interesting stuff and I'm surprised that NNS didn't include that in the article - and also David Scheffer's comments on NATO (Scotland would be in a strong negotiating position regarding conditions of membership) and that in independence negotiations with rUK Scotland would have the stronger position.
 
 
# spcarraig 2013-01-20 20:22
Barrosso and the No campaign have been totally undermined by two of academia's leading voices on EU law- and there's still nearly two years til the referendum. Will the unionist campaign fragment before the vote because they have no scare stories left in the bag?
 
 
# MacSenex 2013-01-20 21:01
Is it not time for the St Andrews Conversation to host an international conference on the possible effects of Independence on the United Nations and international relations generally?

There must be many governments considering the opportunities this provides
 
 
# Signal Rock 2013-01-20 22:22
O.T. sorry...just heard Rory Bremner interviewed on Classic FM describing this fine news site most disparagingly, in a lengthy answer to the question "Should there be devolution in Scotland?". ?? Also managed to discreetly put across a lot of the usual unionist myths and legends esp. regarding AS. There may be a listen again function.
 
 
# 1314 2013-01-20 23:40
Haven't heard the interview SR but if it's as you say then I'm disappointed - not because he's, a unionist ( at present - Kevin McKenna/Damascus? ) but because I thought that if we would get sensible comments from anybody on the no side, it would be from the likes of Rory Bremner.
 
 
# gus1940 2013-01-21 10:38
'Lesser Britain' - I like that.
 

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