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By a Newsnet reporter

Staff at HMRC enquiry offices and call centres took part in a one day strike (31 January) over trials which will see two private companies, Sitel and Teleperformance, handle sensitive information which members of the public are required to give to HMRC. The trials are due to last a year and will take place in Bathgate and Cumbria.

The strike organised by the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS) who are not affiliated to the Labour Party, saw a 97% turnout amongst members in Scotland. One PCS rep who spoke to Newsnet Scotland said that this was not simply a case of looking after their own jobs, there were also serious implications for the public. "These companies are in the call centre business and that tends to mean a high turnover of staff who are all getting access to sensitive information. Can the companies guarantee that all the information will remain secure?"

Newsnet Scotland has learnt that it was only recently that HMRC staff were assured that the staff of these companies would be required to sign the Official Secrets Act and this confirmation only came after pressure from HMRC staff and the union.

The rep continued, "Staff at HMRC call centres are already set call handling times. Some calls require the staff member to spend considerable time on the phone helping the caller. However our members are regularly put under pressure by management to cut down on call times. It's ridiculous, we are supposed to be there to serve the public - that's what they pay their taxes for! Ultimately though, staff members have the union to protect them if they are being unfairly hassled by management.

The private call centres are motivate by profit rather than public service, their staff are not going to be given the same terms of employment as HMRC staff and the likelihood is that they will be under enormous pressure to cut short calls to keep times down. None of that will lead to a better service to the public."

The PCS argue that the skills needed to do these jobs are already available within the department and if HMRC wants to trial new ways of working, then HMRC should invest in its own staff, instead of pressing ahead with plans to cut another 10,000 jobs by 2015 - on top of the 30,000 that have gone from the department since 2005. HMRC last week also announced plans to close more advice offices.

Investment by HMRC would mean the government could make a serious attempt at tackling the tens of billions of pounds in tax that goes uncollected every year from a minority of very wealthy individuals and organisations that avoid or evade paying their dues.

PCS general secretary Mark Serwotka said: "Our members in tax offices want to do a good job and provide the best possible advice and help to taxpayers, but there are fewer of them working in fewer offices as a result of misguided and damaging cuts.
"Instead of making even more cuts and throwing public money at private companies, ministers should be investing in their staff and tackling the billions in tax avoided and evaded by the super-rich."

As 31 January is the day for self assessment tax returns to be completed, HMRC have been forced to allow another two days for people to file their returns online. In a normal year, HMRC would expect around 90,000 calls on 31 January from people with queries about their tax returns.

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# bringiton 2012-02-01 11:57
Presumably these private companies will earn their profit by receiving a share of the tax take.
This could lead to all sorts of devices being used in order to increase profits
e.g. charging people for processing returns,late submission charges (real or invented),overe stimating tax due (and then delaying tax refunds through obfuscation).The list of wheezes is endless and the end result for the tax payers will be that they are even more out of pocket.
 
 
# brickwall 2012-02-01 12:48
The tax service is appalling and I couldn't care less.

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# Holebender 2012-02-01 14:27
It's a bit of a joke having an HMRC employee questioning the ability of a private company to keep taxpayers' personal data secure. Who was it who left a DVD lying around with thousands of taxpayers' data on it?
 
 
# Lini 2012-02-01 15:15
Quoting Holebender:
It's a bit of a joke having an HMRC employee questioning the ability of a private company to keep taxpayers' personal data secure. Who was it who left a DVD lying around with thousands of taxpayers' data on it?


That has nothing to do with what is going on now. Do you really think the person quoted is the person who lost the disc?

The way most outsourced call centres work means that lots of people get taken on, then go through training where they have access to your records, then after training, they keep on only some of them. I for one, wonder how many references are checked unless they get kept on. Hope I'm wrong but outsourced contact centres are often flagged as a place where identity theft takes place.
Look at this study from Strathclyde Uni
cis.strath.ac.uk/.../...

Their survey showed that 100% of the people contacted in the survey were allowed a pen and paper on the centre floor and one person remarked

"…there were two people (I didn’t know them) that actually got escorted out of the premises...They
found them taking people’s details using newspapers at their desk
and they were writing the account numbers in the crossword puzzles. "
 
 
# Ben Power 2012-02-01 19:04
When a £25k public service job is cut and outsourced to a private provider. That provider profit has to cut into the £25k somehow to make a profit. It is done by cutting staff or cutting services. The private company will make a profit one way or the other and does not care how.
It gets called making efficiencies. Those “efficiencies” provide the profit. We the tax payers provide the profit both in their fees and in the loss of service we accept. We also wear the cost of dumping a person on the employment scrap heap and not providing another job for more people in the future in that job role privatized. The there are another slew of disadvantages in the loss of working conditions for the privatised function employees as well.

If our governments are so smart, why can’t the people we elect organise the public service to both be more efficient and improve the services delivered. The profit from “efficiencies” that they outsource (give) to a private company or consultant could be better used in employing a person to deliver better public services.
When a politician or a senior public servant suggests outsourcing a public service function we should read that as an admission that they are not up to the task of managing their portfolio or department and look for a replacement for that politician or senior public servant.
Either they are not up to the task of managing or are up to the game of feathering their own or someone else’s nest by funnelling public funds into private hands.

Again. If a politician or senior public servant wants to privatise a public service function. It is an admission that they cannot manage the activity or are up to no good in the use of our money.
 
 
# wee e 2012-02-01 19:49
Quoting Ben Power:
If our governments are so smart, why can’t the people we elect organise the public service to both be more efficient and improve the services delivered. ...
If a politician or senior public servant wants to privatise a public service function. It is an admission that they cannot manage the activity or are up to no good in the use of our money.

Couldn't agree more. It's a giant con, and it's been running for 30 years now.
 
 
# wee e 2012-02-01 19:46
Privatised tax offices? I got a tax refund late last year. It even turned out to be a bit more than the other tax (NI) I still had to pay.
No way is a privatised tax collection system EVER gonna do that; the tax officer would probably lose her bonus.
 
 
# balbeggie 2012-02-01 20:07
None of us like paying tax.

The local tax office network with a few exceptions was shut down in 2010 and all the local knowledge and expertise binned. Opening hours to the Enquiry Offices reduced recently in the hope that will deter visitors and then through dodgy statistics HMRC can finally shut these offices too. Most of Scotlands self-assessment returns for the self-employed are now sent south of the border for processing. The system is contracting in Scotland. Scotland needs a robust tax system when it is Independent. We are seeing the dismantling of a once good network.
 
 
# rodmac 2012-02-01 22:45
This matter is seriously concerning.

I phoned the Working Tax Credit Help Line recently.
I was asked if I would answer personal information on me , before continuing the query?
I had no objection to a normal security check.
However, I was then told that my information would be asked through some private company, and my answers checked by Experian!
At that point, I asked why this should be? Surely they had information on me without going through a Credit Check!
I refused to be put on that system, as I was not happy having my financial enquiries being monitored by a private company.
I was then informed that the required security check could still be done on their own system, If I was unhappy? But It would take slightly longer to access their own system.
I said I did not mind waiting, and finally she came back with their questions.
I do not think this sort of back door privatisation of personal information is at all acceptable.
 
 
# red kite 2012-02-01 23:23
That is the type of thing that a normal investigative journalism in a normal country would go to town with.
Speaks volumes for the fallen state of governance, as well as the msm.
We really, really need a good shakeup in the way we are governed, in more ways than one.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-02-02 15:37
Privatisation of the tax system will be the tip of the iceberg.

If the BAE workers in Scotland think their jobs will be safer within the union then they should realise that the MOD's policy is moving towards going for the cheapest options on procurement.

It is being predicted that in future there will be no manufacturing for the MOD within the UK as all purchases will be made from foreign firms. This was alluded to in FMQs today.

This may be why engineering qualifications in English Scools are been devalued.
 

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