By Lindsay Scott
 
Finances, including pensions and benefits, feature regularly among the top three issues in any poll Age Scotland has conducted or commissioned in relation to older Scots’ concerns.
 
So it can fairly safely be anticipated that these will come to the fore again as older people look for clarity on just what an independent Scotland could mean for them.

Given our older population’s proven propensity to vote in relation to their younger counterparts, financial matters will undoubtedly play a pivotal part in deciding the outcome of the planned referendum on Scottish independence.

And if there are no clear economic benefits, the government will almost certainly face an uphill struggle to persuade a majority of older Scots that independence is the best way forward.

That is why it is important that older people get involved now in deliberations over just what a yes vote in the coming referendum could mean for them and the country as a whole.

Let’s face it, the future solvency of an independent Scotland cannot be guaranteed; although some broad arguments can be made about the merits of being a small country with a large banking sector, having around another three decades’ worth of fairly substantial oil reserves and a burgeoning renewable energy sector.

But when it comes to dividing up public debts, pensions’ liabilities and what’s left of the UK’s gold reserves for example, there could be quite a bun fight.

The Scottish government says that a key principle underpinning the referendum is educated choice and this will ensure voters have the information they need to participate in the national debate and to make an informed decision.

The problem is that this will not be provided until the Referendum Bill has received Royal Assent (expected in November 2013), when the government will publish a comprehensive white paper setting out full details of its offer to the Scottish people.

The onus for providing clarity prior to what will be a defining constitutional moment doesn’t just rest with the Scottish government, however.

Putting aside the inevitable pettiness, partisanship, positioning and political posturing from both camps, it is also incumbent on the pro-union parties to outline just what their vision of Scotland is and what this would mean for the country’s ageing population, for many of whom, the status quo is no longer as attractive as it once was.

It is for example acknowledged that considerable support exists across Scotland for increased responsibilities for the Scottish Parliament short of independence, “devo max” as it has come to be known. What this would entail also needs to be clarified and explained.

The consultation document recently published by the Scottish government is a chance for everyone to influence this referendum on our country’s constitutional future. We should see it as an opportunity to shape the future, not as a threat.

So why not get engaged in the process, ask what you need to know and make sure your own views are made known? That way, regardless of the outcome, you will be able to say you actively participated in something truly historic.

 

Courtesy of Mr Lindsay Scott - Age Scotland’s Campaigns and Communications Manager
Read more at
http://agescotland.wordpress.com/

Comments  

 
# oldnat 2012-02-02 21:24
"Let’s face it, the future solvency of an independent Scotland cannot be guaranteed"

Quite right. Just as the future solvency of the UK can't be guaranteed either.

However, given that Scotland's deficit is significantly smaller per capita than that of the UK as a whole, I'd rather trust my pension being delivered by the Scottish, rather than the UK, Government.

Frankly, it's much more important to me that I have a new grandchild on the way. I'd sacrifice everything I have for that new life, instead of sacrificing its interests for my geriatric generation!
 
 
# call me dave 2012-02-02 21:47
That is an important point you just made. Remember that for us older people who are 65+ most of us owe a great debt to our own parents who fought a war and sacrificed much. However we are all living longer and should take stock in the present too, which is why I am throwing my weight with the independence lobby. I am confident my pension, my social care prospects and the Scottish Health Service are in safe hands.
 
 
# nchanter 2012-02-03 19:28
It is also vitally important that information on this site is accurate. There are some of us who are a bit past the researching age, and would depend on what posters write as genuine(warts and all).
 
 
# exel 2012-02-03 19:42
nchanter 2012-02-03 18:28
It is also vitally important that information on this site is accurate. There are some of us who are a bit past the researching age, and would depend on what posters write as genuine(warts and all).

Good point N, I would not just restrict it to us oldies. On sites like this any old rubbish can be published, anonymously, there is nothing better than the information obtained from the written word, but you need to know who is giving it.
 
 
# handclapping 2012-02-02 21:31
"...it is also incumbent on the pro-union parties to outline just what their vision of Scotland is..."
Exactly so, I need to know what the prospects for the continuing Union are just as much as I need to know what bright future Independence might bring. My day is done but I will be choosing what might give the best chance to the younger folk so I need to know what is this positive case for the Union that everybody talks about and nobody spells out.
 
 
# derek 2012-02-02 22:11
handclapping, it seems as though the only thing the unionist have to say' is that, the last 300 years has only delivered success in the one square mile called Canary wharf.

That 1% seems to be opposed by the other 99%....so the question seems to be when Scotland is cut free' who else will want to follow?
 
 
# maisiedotts 2012-02-02 21:35
I too want the very best for our future generations - all of them - yours mine and everyone else's. I'd prefer to trust the Scottish Government to deliver on a good basic standard of living, pensions and benefits than the dickensian millionaires in Westminster. I have no wish to end my days in a workhouse nor to see our old, sick or disabled in penury. I fully expect Westminster to put over 70s on an extermination programme if they can't kill us off any other way!
 
 
# velofello 2012-02-02 21:38
Living within your means, whether as an individual, a household, or a country is the received wisdom. But Scotland doesn't know what means - income - she enjoys. We have no idea what income Scotland generates and I doubt that Westminster in are a hurry to fully inform us.
The Barnet formula? Understand it? Now it is reported that Foulkes wishes the Barnet scrapped and for Westminster to provide whatever funds it considers is required by Scotland.
Remember wee Wendy in the lead up to the 2007 election? "Let the SNP in and every family in Scotland will be £500 pa worse off".
So how can the population make an informed decision? Which organisation is going to provide the true situation of Scotland's earnings? Whatever the SNP state will be howled down, that's for sure. Some Westminster office of ZZZ statistics in London? would you trust them?
 
 
# oldnat 2012-02-02 21:58
GERS www.scotland.gov.uk/.../GERS
is by no means perfect - how could it be, when it has to provide best estimates from the inadequate sources that the UK ONS provides?

However, it's the best available and no other part of the UK has anything like it - a set of data drawn up by professional statisticians who provide the best data that they can, and are always open to suggestions for improvement. They aren't party political and (unlike their equivalents in London who have shown some tendency to roll over and have their tummies tickled by politicians) have privately suggested to one or more SNP Ministers to butt out!

Whatever the GERS deficiencies may be, they are the best that we are likely to have unless the UK starts providing honest accounting.
 
 
# nchanter 2012-02-03 19:31
No, but what a great idea, is it possible to get this information?
 
 
# Edna Caine 2012-02-02 22:43
I do hope that Lindsay Scott and Age Scotland can convince the older generation of Scots to consider seriously what the consequences of remaining tied to Westminster's ideology could mean.

Here in England, older people are under increasing financial pressure as the problems surrounding fuel poverty, long-term care, availability of medical resource and inflation begin to kick in under the neo-con policies of successive governments.

It's not a huge problem yet as most of our pensions have survived the worst that is now being thrown at them. Also, the obscene and unreal house price inflation which we saw in recent decades offers opportunities for equity release which can provide funds to arrange for essential surgery through private providers and residential care. When interest rates inevitably rise this will be more difficult.

The Social Democratic policies of the SNP are streets ahead of the reactionary negativity of the Westminster parties where the future looks bleak for the old and those will become old in due course.

If anyone should be voting for an independent Scotland whose focus is likely to be the welfare of the more vulnerable, it is the elderly (and the soon to be so).
 
 
# nchanter 2012-02-03 19:34
Strange, I have noticed a number of OAPs from down south in residence in our homes for the aged also more than a few disabled from the same airts. We do have excellent care up here.
 
 
# Auld Bob 2012-02-03 01:10
Sorry, Lindsay Scott, but you seem to have jumped to a rather strange conclusion. After the referendum is held there is no need for anyone to be bothered what the Westminster PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM, INTENDS TO DO. They cease to exist as a legally elected Parliament of the NOW DEFUNCT PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM. If Scotland pulls out of The Treaty Of Union, that was only signed by Two Equal Sovereign Nations, then the treaty is null, void, and defunct. Westminster is no longer the UNION Parliament - how can it be if there is no more union? Does a married person need the permission of their partner to divorce the partner? Is there still a marriage when the divorce is absolute? If there is no longer a legally elected parliament, where is there an elected English Parliament? There are no candidates elected to an any English Parliament. The only way to get a legal English Parliament is for her Majesty to summon someone to form Her Majesty's English Parliament and run an election to elect members. The Civil Service is also that of the United Kingdom - not England's any more than it is Scotland's. You need a rethink.
 
 
# Edna Caine 2012-02-03 02:00
Eh?

Auld Bob -

I'd appreciate some sort of cross-reference between your post and Mr Scott's article as you've totally lost me with your comments about UK PARLIAMENTS, divorces and English Parliaments.
 
 
# Exile 2012-02-03 14:51
Bob, I'm also not sure what part of the article you're responding to. Can you explain?
 
 
# exel 2012-02-03 19:10
Auld Bob 2012-02-03 00:10
“Sorry, Lindsay Scott, but you seem to have jumped to a rather strange conclusion. After the referendum is held there is no need for anyone to be bothered what the Westminster PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM, INTENDS TO DO. They cease to exist as a legally elected Parliament of the NOW DEFUNCT PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM.”

I disagree with you Bob; there is a lot to bother about, if the vote is YES. Do you honestly believe that the referendum vote will be the end of the matter?

As you point out two nations signed the treaty England and Scotland, not the UK and Scotland. Westminster was the English Parliament adopted at the union.

Secedes is the phrase you are looking for not “pulls out of the union”.

"Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity. Threats of secession also can be a strategy for achieving more limited goals."

Negotiation is required in this process.
Or maybe you advocate A Unilateral Declaration of Independence, then you require the agreement of the Scots again.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-02-03 19:52
Given our older population’s proven propensity to vote in relation to their younger counterparts

I don't get this. Is the author saying that the older generation vote the same as their younger relations ?

If so, I'm not sure that this is the case. If anything, the breakdown of the latest Mori poll shows that is the older generation that are holding up the unionist vote whilst the younger generations see independence more favourably.
 
 
# exel 2012-02-03 20:04
tartanfever 2012-02-03 18:52
“If so, I'm not sure that this is the case. If anything, the breakdown of the latest Mori poll shows that is the older generation that are holding up the unionist vote whilst the younger generations see independence more favourably.”

Do you not think, that is what he is saying? I in relation to, does not infer like their relatives.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-02-03 20:27
Wasn't sure exel, you know how I need things to be spelt out plainly !

Thanks for the answer, appreciated.
 

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