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I’m so pleased to learn from various articles, magazine contributions and personal conversations that I am not the only one furious and confused by the First Minister’s apparent love-in with one of the nastiest and reactionary business moguls on the planet.

I am referring to the ill-judged decision of the normally astute Alex Salmond to not only contribute a tame and slavish column to the first Sun on Sunday in Scotland but to then follow that up with the now infamous tea and caramel wafers get together with Rupert Murdoch a week or so later.

This guy has devoted his life to the production of sexist, anti-trade union and pro big business publications that seek to demonise minorities like single parents and asylum seekers while fostering division and hate.

The whole News International stable was a bastion of right wing reaction and now stands exposed as a criminal empire to boot.  Why the hell would our First Minister demean himself and his office by fawning over the head of such a disreputable organisation?

And I suppose the related question is why should we care and be agitated by such behaviour?

Does it matter if Salmond, fed up with years of biased and unfair newspaper and media coverage of his party, decides to try and get one of the big sharks on-side?

Yes it does matter.  I and millions of others across Scotland believe our small country deserves the status of a nation in its own right.  We in Scotland are not any better than the 200 plus independent countries recognised by the United Nations, scores of them with populations smaller than ours and many of those smaller countries with higher living standards than us.

We are not any better but we are not inferior either.

We deserve the democratic right to govern ourselves.  The sky won’t fall in and those who pedalled fear as their strategy of opposition to independence for years are now having to realise we as a populace are more intelligent than they gave us credit for.

Frightening the masses with unfounded scare stories about the bogey man waiting to pounce once we renounce our link to Britain and become a free nation again is no longer tenable.

Yet support for independence does not mean there is a settled view of what a future independent Scotland will look like and become.  I and other socialists hope for a Scotland free of the grinding poverty which so scars our nation, with a landscape not blighted by the illegal and immoral nuclear weapons which pollute Helensburgh and the beautiful land it occupies.

A Scotland where equality, tolerance and hope replace the free market carbuncles of inequality, division and despair.

A Scotland that is not afraid to nurture its own industries of steel and manufacturing to serve a publicly owned transport network with safe, reliable and environmentally sound buses and carriages.

A Scotland that invests in a publicly owned pharmaceutical industry to supply our publicly owned health service and save us millions in the process while able to patent and sell life enhancing drugs worldwide at affordable prices to developing nations.

A Scotland that promotes a value system where people are more important than profits and children come before cash.  Where honour and rank are earned and not conferred by birthright.

A Scotland that we can all be proud of because we endeavour to banish obscene inequality, and aim to have our children 20 and 30 years hence ask: ‘what was poverty?’: ‘what were nuclear weapons?’: ‘what was racism?’

True, that vision of a future independent Scotland may not be everyone’s but I bet it is closer to the majority view than that of the likes of Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.  If he ever supports an independent Scotland it will be as a business opportunity.  A chance to sack workers in one part of the globe to employ them cheaper here.

The guy and his business empire are toxic.  The SNP did what the Scotland Act was designed to prevent, despite every tabloid paper opposing them.  They secured an outright majority in the Scottish Parliament.  They don’t need newspaper endorsements or support. 

Ordinary folk are suspicious of such arrangements.  They don’t like being told how to vote or being force fed a particular political agenda.  That’s what makes Alex Salmond’s embrace of Murdoch so stupid and counterproductive.  It actually provides ammunition to an independence opposition who have been running on empty for months.

Sure I have a personal axe to grind.  I despise the Murdoch Empire and all attached to it because I believe they targeted me politically and set out to destroy me.  Those who believe this claim to be the rant of a wounded and paranoid man will just have to wait a few months to stand corrected, but that personal animosity I feel towards Murdoch and all he stands for is not limited to me.

The one tune which always inspires me and re-fuels my desire for a socially just and Free Scotland is the Deacon Blue classic ‘Dignity’.  It sums up the hope and aspiration I have for a new and better Scotland linking up with other parts of the world as a beacon of peace and social justice.

Rejecting the kind of illegal and immoral wars in Iraq that every single one of Murdoch’s several hundred titles worldwide endorsed and promoted.  Murdoch and all he stands for is the polar opposite of dignity and all that we should aspire to in an independent Scotland.

So for goodness’ sake Alex drop Murdoch now and help lead us to a successful independence referendum untarnished by association with the toxic and poisonous News International brand.

Show a bit more ‘dignity’.

 

Tommy Sheridan

Comments  

 
# Vincent McDee 2012-03-16 07:35
Do not forget to have your say:

consult.scotland.gov.uk/.../

Whatever Sheridan or anyone included me, may think of Murdoch, is not here nor there.

The fact is you can not desenfranchise a huge chunk of the electorate which like to read his papers.
 
 
# fynesider 2012-03-16 13:23
Welcome back Tommy!
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-16 07:37
It might be that AS has to play devil's advocate, but after Independence we should have media, that is regulated like a modern European state's, and not allowed to lie to and manipulate the population.
Right now we have media that is something like the former USSR's state propaganda machine.
 
 
# frankyB 2012-03-16 07:39
Tommy, get real.

Alex has to deal with the real world out there and there is a difference between neutralising a potential threat (with tea and biscuits) and actually doing what Labour and Tories did.

I think Salmond is brighter and a lot smarter than Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, and Milliband, and all of them put together. He's got us this far. Trust him to get us the rest of the way.
 
 
# Puskas 2012-03-16 07:41
Hi Tommy, I really have very little to add.

Agree... Welcome back comrade .

The fight for Scotland's independence will have a stuffy fechter...

Best wishes and health to you and all your family Tommy ..
 
 
# dillond666 2012-03-16 07:44
Brilliant article from a real Socialist. I too have my reservations but I do think Alex Salmond has the sense to "sup with a long spoon".
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-03-16 07:47
Sorry, but I can't help but feel this article is teaching me to suck eggs.

"furious and confused by the First Minister’s apparent love-in with one of the nastiest and reactionary business moguls on the planet."

Where'd you lift this from Tommy, the Daily Mail?

I was hoping for better; something I believe you are perfectly capable of.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-03-16 08:44
Wrong paper - Daily Telegraph and the man whose hatred of Alex salmond makes him a laughing stock.

I see no "love in" and having suffered at the hands of the media in Scotland for some years ,I doubt Alex Salmond or any SNP MSP is going to be suckered /succoured by the attentions of any in the media.

Mr Sheridan ,I am sure you have it in you to write a better article for Scotland - ignoring those you detest and concentrating on the positive !
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-03-16 08:55
My sentiments exactly.
 
 
# alasdairmac 2012-03-16 09:54
Agreed 100% but let's remembner that Tommy does have one very big axe to grind and his views are probably distorted by that.
 
 
# Stakhanov 2012-03-16 07:48
Means to an end. Pragmatism...
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-16 07:57
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# Briggs 2012-03-16 07:59
The language of a by gone age from Mr Sheridan.

Almost like a piece from 'Dave Spart' of Private Eye fame.
 
 
# dogcollar 2012-03-16 12:53
Come on Briggs the independence debate is here and now not of a bygone age. I personally welcome Tommy back into Scottish politics. He has been to hell and back and should now be given the opportunity to speak on whatever matter he likes.
 
 
# UpSpake 2012-03-16 08:12
I cannot see how entertaining Murdoch or his toxic newspaper empire can in any way be benificial for the SNP unless its all about being benificial to the ego boost that seems to underlay the Salmond personna ?.
I think Mr. Salmond is unwise to persue this tycoon as he is unwise to take Mr. Souter's money or Mr. Trumps endorsement/ or slagging as the wind takes it.
Sorry, I agree with Tommy here. I'm from a differrent political stance but his core values resonate.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-16 08:18
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# Exile 2012-03-16 09:37
I certainly don't. Alex has an eye for the long game. He's a master strategist and tactician (has been for decades), and I don't for a second think 'ego' has anything whatsoever to do with it. I'm not sure if he has personally (inadvertantly?) upset UpSpake at some time, but I can think of no other reason for those comments. Or is it just like my late father, who didn't care for AS because "he's so right"? Well, actually, yes he is. So let's grow up and get behind him and his team.
 
 
# Holebender 2012-03-16 10:38
Did you ever for one moment consider that Alex Salmond does most of what he does, not to benefit the SNP, but to benefit Scotland? I happen to think he takes the post of First Minister very seriously and that when he acts as First Minister he puts his country before his party.
 
 
# Mako 2012-03-16 12:35
Well said! I am of this opinion also. I find it difficult to digest that, in light of all that AS has been doing for this country and acomplished, that the first reaction of people to his visit from RM is outrage. I think we can be sure from looking at his past that AS is not stupid.
 
 
# Robabody 2012-03-16 22:59
As do I HB
 
 
# brusque 2012-03-17 15:57
Quoting UpSpake:
I cannot see how entertaining Murdoch or his toxic newspaper empire can in any way be benificial for the SNP unless its all about being benificial to the ego boost that seems to underlay the Salmond personna ?.
I think Mr. Salmond is unwise to persue this tycoon as he is unwise to take Mr. Souter's money or Mr. Trumps endorsement/ or slagging as the wind takes it.
Sorry, I agree with Tommy here. I'm from a differrent political stance but his core values resonate.


Just out of interest Upspake; is Mr Sheridan also writing articles on the SDP's website?
 
 
# clootie 2012-03-16 08:15
Tommy

Politics produces strange bed fellows and the FM is dealing with a major employer in Scotland in a professional manner. I prefer this company to westminster.
 
 
# Mako 2012-03-16 12:37
We also need to remember that in an independent Scotland, RM would not be able to get up to the sort of thing he did under the watchfull eye of Westminster. We are not so incompitent.
 
 
# mountaincadre 2012-03-16 08:15
Tommy i did not always agree with your views in the past and your time in the media limelight left me somewhat disgruntled, but that being said i do believe that when all's said and done your heart is in the right place, you've got a long road to travel and there will be those who will want there pound of flesh for your past mistakes,that is just how it is,"i'm sure you know this better than anyone". To those who have a grudge to settle or who wish to take the moral high ground then can i say that we ALL make mistakes and if we truley are trying to make this country of ours a better place then we will need to learn to forgive,remembe r the bit about, nae throwin stains if yer guilty yerself.
 
 
# dogcollar 2012-03-16 12:55
Can I second those words of mountaincadre
 
 
# Fungus 2012-03-16 08:24
Do we have a lot of choice right now? The Independence cause is under fire from all the media from the neo fascist Dally Mail, the Telegraph pandering to all that is worst in Little England the Herald and Scotsman which are just jokes and most especially the bastion of British democracy the BBC which, as I am sure you are well aware after that sickening gutter level episode concerning your wife, just does as it is told by London.

Maybe we need an outlet which will tell the truth, somewhere people can find a positive vision of an independent Scotland, if getting Murdoch on board for the next few years does that then all to the good. Sometimes you have to have your eye on the long game.
 
 
# Mako 2012-03-16 12:39
the enemy of my enemy and aw that.
 
 
# Briggs 2012-03-16 14:09
Murdoch is now the enemy of the Tory Party so I take your point.
 
 
# Jim Johnston 2012-03-16 08:40
You're missing the point Tommy,
Westminster live in complete dread of Murdoch and his empire, which they allowed to happen. Why should Scotland not use their fear of him ?
 
 
# Barontorc 2012-03-16 09:01
Agreed,JJ and Tommy should see the terror that one cuppa and chocolate biscuit caused as a strategy slowly unfolding.

The time for moralising is when we have it in the bag - it's a dirty world out there as TS knows to his cost.

If he can reverse all of that damage and suffering then good on him. I wish him all the best.

Alex Salmond could not have bought the impact and exposure that the front page Sunday Sun column produced and boy did it not give ski**ers to the rest.

Meanwhile, welcome back Tommy and I look forward to seeing you pull the socialist side together again for Scotland. God knows, its been abandoned by Labour.
 
 
# Derek8853 2012-03-16 08:41
I feel that the Scottish sun newspaper will give a better chance of getting Indy points across as msm in general is not doing that.
 
 
# Wave Machine 2012-03-16 08:43
I have a suggestion for Tommy and it is this.

Stand up straight and admit that you have flaws as an individual. Admit that in the past you lost your way.

Then join the debate.

You do have a voice that will be listened to but to establish lost credibility you need to develop some honesty and stop harping on about Murdoch. You run the risk of being seen as a one trick pony.

I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
 
 
# Wolf 2012-03-16 08:53
First priority is to secure Independance by hook or by crook even if that means supping with the very devil. Once we have secured this objective then we can argue political semantics whilst creating a better future for us all.
 
 
# Lamplighter 2012-03-16 08:58
Good article - in parts.

I detest Murdoch and his 'news'papers. However, probably a majority in Scotland really don't give a toss one way or the other about Murdoch, and a large number unthinkingly buy his products.

Personally, I trust Salmond to deal with newspaper proprietors in a way that overall will benefit Scotland. I certainly don't think he's 'cosying up' to Murdoch.

At the end of the day, I agree in general with Tommy Sheridan's article, but overall it leaves an impression as an outdated 'comrades rant'.
 
 
# edinburgh quine 2012-03-16 09:02
I enjoyed this article but have, like many contributing here, have to take issue with your view of Alex Salmond. He talks to all sorts of people.

His meeting was out in the open for all to see. Murdoch didn't enter by the back door of anywhere, like when blair/brown were in #10.

I'm sure Alex meets a lot of people whose views I disagree with, but I'll bet he meets a load of people I do agree with. It's just their aint nothing newsworthy in that. As long as he continues to sup with a long spoon, he should be ok.

As frankyB said, he's got us this far...

Oh, and I too add my welcome
 
 
# Dear_Iain 2012-03-16 09:05
Tommy,
I hear and agree with much of the principle in your article. However, your only chance of delivering the Scotland you desire is by first achieving independence.
That independence will be best achieved by solidarity (you see what I did there?) within the nationalist movement.
Let the Unionists fragment and bicker among themselves along their tired old lines of party dogma.
Let the Nationalists remain united and goal focussed. Let's save all that until the goal is achieved and we re-align from the broad church we are at present, and pursue representative democracy, of whatever shade the people desire, in an Independent Scotland.

Welcome to the team, in this most critical 1000 days of our time, or many generations before us. Lets not blow it.
 
 
# edinburgh quine 2012-03-16 09:45
Wow, Dear_Iain, thats exactly what I was trying, in my hamfisted way, to say. Spot on kiddo; divided we fall
 
 
# Harry.Shanks 2012-03-16 09:13
Quite simply, many reasonable people will regard Tommy Sheridan as too close to the issue to be able to give an untainted view on anything to do with Rupert Murdoch or News International.

This criticism of AS comes without any knowledge whatsoever of what AS discusses with Murdoch.
Let's be honest Tommy, all you actually know is that a column was written and caramel wafers were available at a meeting - the rest is just an anti-Murdoch rant.

Undoubtedly there is a place for Tommy's views and opinions and there are many people who would wish to see and hear them - but it might be wiser to stick to subjects where accusations of bias and bitterness cannot be levelled.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-16 09:14
Oh dear. I was hoping for better.

Usual rhetoric, tabloid phrases, divisive language and mud slinging. He's as bad at times as the journalists he berates.
 
 
# cokynutjoe 2012-03-16 09:16
The Socialists had formerly a small but important input into Holyrood business, they now have no input at all. T.Sheridan Esq is entirely to blame for that state of affairs, for when it came to the handing out of ego's, Tommy was at the heid of the queue.
When it comes to that "Ship Named Dignity" his sank long ago.
 
 
# Islegard 2012-03-16 09:17
On the subject of Murdoch I'd hardly describe his relationship with Alex Salmond as a love in. It appears to be cordial and professional. Clearly Tommy will be extremely bias towards the Sun. Something I don't blame him for as their persecution of him was vile. However looking at the bigger picture. We have every form of media being used against us. If the Sun want to be the sole voice giving balance and not being too hostile towards independence. I'm not going to complain about it. The end justifies the means. I think everyone would be cutting off their nose to spite their face by getting all snooty about the Sun. Don't underestimate its impact. I think Alex Salmond needs to play it canny don't be seen to get too close to Murdoch. But if help is going to come from that quarter take it. We need every bit of help possible.
 
 
# From The Suburbs 2012-03-16 09:18
Like Wendygate, Tommy's downfall was due to his own actions and former colleagues who leaked details of his personal life to the press in the first instance.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-03-16 09:20
OT.

While I might pick holes in the way the data is represented regarding devo vs max vs independence in terms of total numbers supporting the latter, the trend is generally correct and people should be pleased with what has happened over the last year or two.

ipsos-mori.com/.../...

Reach 1998 levels again and we are on our way.

Note they are missing ICM polls for the 1998 period where >50% support for independence was common. Average of 50% for and 40% against for this period would translate to min 56% yes.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-16 09:31
Thanks as ever SS.

I looked at the graph on the link you provided and was quite surprised at the 1979 figure. Even though the majority of Scots voted for devolution, only 15% or so actually wanted independence. I thought it would have been quite a bit higher ?
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-03-16 11:22
In 1979, the post war social consensus was still largely in action, and while the winds of change were seeing the empire decline, there seemed still some purpose to the union, notably with the cold war sending a chill down spines. Devolution of some form seemed a good start for most...

Then along came Maggie.

18 years of Tory rule later and the 15% had become 50%, with only 40% wishing to stay.

I find it amusing when Tories talk of Maggie as being a 'great British PM' when in fact she literally 'broke' Britain, sowing the seeds for - then carefully nurturing the saplings of - Scottish independence.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-16 11:32
Very true SS. I must admit I've been thinking for a few months now that it's 30 years since the Falklands and in the run up to the referendum in 2014 will coincide with the miners strike and lots of general upheaval in the UK.

I wonder how many people will be putting in FOI requests about Maggie's time in power during this period and what revelations could be forthcoming ?

I'm sure there could be many useful documents that would certainly help the independence cause, or as in the recent case of some devolution documents, Dominic Grieve the Attorney General could refuse to make anything public, as these documents proved to sensitive - this in itself I'm sure would help the cause.
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-03-17 18:34
I looked into that chart from MORI. It shows how many people said 'independence' when offered a choice between independence, devolution (without specific details of the extent of this in the past) and no parliament. Ergo, it is not the result of a straight Y/N, which would show the Y much higher.
 
 
# A_Scottish_Voice 2012-03-16 09:40
I think Alex Salmond is a lot smarter than people give him credit for.

That is why he is the First Minister, and other people are not.
 
 
# Exile 2012-03-16 10:12
Precisely.
 
 
# Suomi 2012-03-16 10:09
Í am absolutely delighted that Tommy Sheridan will work for Scottish indepedence.His voice and input will be invaluable.I also think that some sections of his article are an excellent example of how valuable his contribution will be.

Regarding Murdoch and Alec Salmond,I am uncertain about that one.I can understand why Tommy Sheriden dislikes the Murdoch Empire.Indeed the whole newspaper industry is suspect if we are talking about misleading people and often displaying a lynch mob mentality.However,as some people have pointed out here,that the goal must be to win independence.Taking the moral high ground is fine,but if you lose,you remain impotent.As Jim Sillers once told me,you can make wonderful resolutions and have high ideals,but if you have no power,you can deliver nothing.You stand on the sidelines frustrated.I think,I hope that Alec Salmond is being smart and is able to use Murdochs media empire to facilitate something positive,to bring about what Tommy argues for in his article.The attacks by labour certainly indicate that they are worried.
 
 
# hiorta 2012-03-16 10:10
""demonise minorities like single arents and asylum seekers while fostering division and hate"" T.S.

A description I wouldn't disagree with, but -- if opposing views took the equal and opposite stance, would this be in Scotland's interests or would it merely reinforce all that has to be changed.

A.S. has shown that he is to be trusted and as Scotland's political Leader he has to blend with all views, whether agreeable or not.

Let's achieve Independence first before we tackle the unsavoury effects of ingrained Unionism.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 10:20
I am uneasy about the Salmond/ Murdoch relationship, but I think Alex Salmond is between rock and a hard place with this. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I have to trust him that he knows what he is doing in this situation. When Murdoch approaches you and offers you something, it is a difficult choice. Murdoch will be using the situation for his own benefit and in response to all the other forces which are against him at this moment.

However, talkng about dubious characters...? I am not sure if too many people will see Tommy as a beacon of enlightenment and probity. If there is unfairness in the way Tommy has been treated then, of course, that needs to be rectified.

The opposition parties and their supporters will claim that they have reformed over their association with Murdoch, after all the forelock tugging that has gone before. They will do what they always do - tell lies and try to use the situation.

I will not be satisfied until Murdoch has been removed from any business activities in this country, but there is still much water to go under the bridge on this and it seems to me that the outcome may not be what I and others hope for.
 
 
# the wallace 2012-03-16 10:23
Welcome to NNS tommy,i understand your hatred of the murdoch empire,but dont let that take your eye off the prize.That prize is a scotland that you and i wish to see,and yes if we have to use murdoch no matter how unpleasant then so be it,when we gain our freedom the we can bury murdochs empire for good.So forget him for the moment he will keep,our fight is with the unionist tory establishment with it heel on our countrys neck so come oan pal i canny wait to see you gettig wired right into them with all us beside you,SAOR ALBA.
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-16 10:26
I m not uneasy about AS talking with Murdoch, its buisiness, and we need to break the media manipulation that the Scottish people have to put up with.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-03-16 10:29
You're right Tommy you are biased about Murdoch ( and quite understandably so ) but that doesn't for me explain why you're biased about Alex Salmond.

My view isn't that Murdoch is using Salmond but the direct opposite.

You use words like ill-judged, tame, slavish, love-in, demean himself and fawning which for a lot of us don't reflect Salmond's dealings with Murdoch at all.

Salmond sees Murdoch as a means to an end. He's a politician dealing with a businessman and he has been entirely open about all the meetings they've had.


The people who have been deliberately exaggerating the nature of the meetings almost always have much bigger issues with Salmond than with Murdoch.

You may be the exception, but curiously your language about Salmond suggests you have issues with both men.
 
 
# Robabody 2012-03-16 23:39
Indeed GK
 
 
# Saltire Groppenslosh 2012-03-16 10:36
Tommy, I'm truly glad to see you back.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have a problem, I feel a need to counter the lies that are spouted by the media machine in Scotland on a day to day basis. I do this by means of social media, chats in pubs, even standing at a bus stop. It is limited.

A lot of the voting public in Scotland "sleepwalk" to the polling station and don't give much more thought to the choice in a poll or referendum and for many it could be the flick of a coin.

I see people first thing in the morning going into a newsagent to buy their fags and a paper and for many, that paper represents the only real opportunity that anyone has to talk to them about matters such as Scottish independence.

We require, correction, we need a tabloid on side to communicate with these folk. It's a no-brainer. Murdoch will be motivated by a profit but what of our profit? We have in Glasgow the highest child poverty in Europe. Westminster wont fix that for us because it is the tip of the iceberg of a whole traunch of issues such as mass unemployment, de-industrialisati on, poor social housing etc etc etc and would cost a serious amount of money which Westminster would never consider. The only way we can fix it is through independence. If the Sun is the only tabloid that we can get on side then dislike the whole empire as I do, I can live with that so long as there is positive reporting of independence issues.

Perhaps Alex Salmond lives by the tenet of "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". I don't realy know.

It is great to see you back and I hope you will grace us by becoming a regular contributor on NNS. I think that Scotland needs your strength and single minded will.

What I'd like to see you put that great mind of yours to is a vision for the future of an independent Scotland and how we can bring about more egalitarianism through social change.

Yours sincerely,

Saltire Groppenslosh
 
 
# Union City Blues 2012-03-16 22:07
SS, you have hit the nail on the head. Sites like this are great at spreading the message but what percentage of the population see them, we are all mostly preaching to the converted.

So many people only read one newspaper, if at all. In my workplace, out of 10 people, 1 is a Guardian reader and labour party member, 1 has never read a newspaper in his life, one reads the Sun, one The Daily Record, (both start with the back page). 3 read the Metro, one reads The Herald. How are we helping get the message to these people. None read political or news blogs apart from the Labour member and myself. None read news sites. All can tell you the latest cult video on You Tube.

We need the support of any and all media to win such a life/ world changing vote. An election doesnt count, if they are crap, we'll vote them out next time. We can't go back on independence so we have a lot of convincing to do. People's natural reaction will be to play it safe. We are going to struggle to get the facts out.

Add up the total readership and viewing figures of MSM and the BBC. Millions! I think the Record is going more our way, The Herald is showing some cracks. imagine these two and the Sun supported independence or even were smply even handed.

You can ague Murdoch is the Devils Spawn. You could also say Sheridan is too. I have a lot of respect for him but Lamont and co will make political capital of him supporting our cause.
 
 
# GerrySNP 2012-03-17 02:44
Yes - and we should notice that not having support from the Sun does not mean that we should be expecting support from the Daily Rectum - that would be a hope too far!
 
 
# velofello 2012-03-16 10:38
Seems to me that Alex Salmon has the difficult task of developing a working relationship with all who he encounters, be it Murdoch or Trump.
"My enemy's enemy is my friend", might be applied to the Murdoch empire.
Trump, helicoptered around Scotland by Labour's McConnell.Can you imagine Labour's "indignation" if Trump, dissatisfied over the planning issue, had marched off to build his golf facility in Ireland? That he is now committed to the project but unhappy over offshore windmills does tickle me a little.
 
 
# alexb 2012-03-16 10:43
Iagree with Tommy on one point, that is if Murdoch supports an independent Scotland, it would be only be as a business opportunity. Where I disagree is that I believe we would benefit from media support, whether broadcast,or print. The more people we have espousing our cause, the better.
 
 
# RaboRuglen 2012-03-16 10:52
Hi there,

I despise Murdoch, his way of working and almost everything he stands for but if he is prepared to allow the Sun to support Independence who am I to prevent him? I would work with the Devil himself if it would advance the cause of Independence. (Legal activities only.)

Not only would the Sun supporting Independence advance the cause, it would put a break on the dependentist newspapers and the BBC who would not be able to continue to print their lies and distortions without public contradiction.

Not of course that I think for a moment that Murdoch is doing this out of any feeling of altruism towards Scotland or Alex Salmond. He's doing it most likely because it makes sound commercial sense and possibly also to stick two fingers up to the British Establishment. He is also likely to revert to the current anti-Independence stance the moment it suits him, but in the meantime I'm all for it all-be-it with some reluctance because its Murdoch who has broken ranks first. Lets hope more of the rest follow.

Regards,
 
 
# John Souter 2012-03-16 11:06
Well! Well!

The Ego Has Landed, and the first article produced is an ill-informed, ill-conceived and ill-considered and unjustified self promoting rant against an individual who has achieved more for the cause of independence than ego can or will ever achieve.

Dignity, Mr Sheridan, is not achieved by volume, but by integrity, commitment and competence.

Many despise the Murdochracy and the hegemonies of establishments that allowed it to flourish. Just as many, perhaps more, despise the hegemonies created by Unions who put self preserving expediency before the well being of their members.

Time has moved on and the old asinine tactics and abstracts of political left and rights have proven to be counter productive and negative to the democratic values and process.

It's time for you to move on Mr Sheridan. And start by considering a little humility before dignity - you did after all place bluff above honesty - not an insignificant trait in the armoury of bullies and egotists.
 
 
# Maryston4 2012-03-16 11:48
John

I have to agree with what you've written.

But just as dealing with Murdoch leaves a slight aftertaste, I'm also happy for Mr Sheridan to espouse Independence if he can take some of the personal bile and venom from his comments - especially as his run in with the Murdoch papers was pretty much his own doing. Or is Mr Sheridan still too vain to admit his own part in his downfall?
 
 
# lochside 2012-03-16 14:48
Don't agree John. Ts is giving a gentle public warning to AS to beware the scorpion on his back that Murdoch may turn to be. Just now stones are being turned over to reveal scuttling loathsome creatures of the night: corrupt Murdoch employees and it's even more corrupt pals in the Met.... The Leveson enquiry is showing up the stinking corrupt institutions of the Westminster-run state. Tommy is right to beware all that Murdoch stands for..treating workers like disposal economic units and the truth like a joke to be manipulated and distorted. All the things that most decent people on here fear and loath: unbridled capitalism, greed, oppression of the poor and defenceless, bombastic militarism, are manifest under a system such as the London Political Establishment u=in concert with it's ugly twin of Murdoch International. To put so-called 'Union hegemonies' alongside that lot, shows a blue-tinged interpretation of history, unless you think Maggie Thather was a visionary!
Yes Tommy was found to have feet of clay possibly, but to doubt the political malevolent agenda behind his incarceration is to be very naive and blinkered. I say welcome back to the fight mucker, we need your socialist take
on the fight for independence!
 
 
# John Souter 2012-03-16 15:33
Lochside -there's nothing 'blue-tinged' in my interpretation of history nor in my vision of the future.

Nor do I doubt the purpose behind the agenda that lead to his incarceration. after all he alone gave it purpose.

And I nether judge or condemn him as a man for his acts or omissions - we are all human. Just for him to be a touch more circumspect - more Jimmy Reid than me - me - me would be a start.
 
 
# the wallace 2012-03-16 11:08
I would like to see tommy as the leader, in a new independent real scottish socialist labour party in our parliament,i would vote for him in a heartbeat,becau se only with independence and if scotland returns a socialist government, will the world see real socialism in action and how it is meant to be done,an independent scotland realy can be a beacon of hope to the world,as to how a country should look after its people.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-16 14:59
There's certainly a place for Tommy's brand of socialism in an independent parliament, hopefully one with full PR, with a wide range of views represented and all working together for the good of Scotland.

I'll still be voting SNP, though.
 
 
# taimoshan 2012-03-16 11:19
Does anyone know how the SNP member of the Question Time panel got on? I don't watch any more - I know!
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-16 11:23
I didn't see it but going by some of the comments on here, Humza did a pretty decent job despite some interruptions.

Some comments on this thread about it. (link below) Scroll down to near the bottom and you can read the comments, time stamped about 11.30pm onwards.

newsnetscotland.com/.../...
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-03-16 11:24
Humza Yousaf did very well indeed. You can watch him here

bbc.co.uk/.../...

Incidentally I see the great hope of the save the union campaign, Charles Kennedy failed to turn up due to missing his plane. He had to be replaced at the last minute by phone box man, Willie ( not independence but Home Rule whatever that is ) Rennie.
 
 
# maen_tramgwydd 2012-03-16 11:31
I might have missed it, but no mention on Newsnet of the result of Plaid Cymru's leadership election - Leanne Wood.

I'm a frequent visitor to Newsnet and I'm very impressed with it. I wish we had something similar in Wales.

What happens in Scotland in the coming years will undoubtedly have an effect on my country, so we have a real interest in what happens there in Scotland.

I would dearly love to see you achieve independence.

This is the first time that I have commented.

It was reported on our twitter page yesterday. www.twitter.com/newsntscotland - Mod Team
 
 
# Marga B 2012-03-16 12:12
MT - Congratulations on your first post!

By the way, I wish we in Catalonia had someone like Adam Price - he has called in this weekend for a couple of lectures and was very impressive. There's not anyone like him in Scotland, either, it seems, though could of course be wrong.

I see on the other hand that the Scotsman is calling Wood "an outsider". Well if the Scotsman doesn't fancy her, that's maybe a good place to start!
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-03-16 12:22
welcome to Newsnet maen_tramgwydd, hope you'll keep posting and hopefully the election of Leanne Wood will mark the beginning of good things for the future of Wales.
 
 
# lochside 2012-03-16 14:51
Congrats on your first post. I've seen Leanne on Question time and I was very impressed. A good choice for Wales!
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-16 18:31
Not everybody reads twitter.

Newsnet Scotland would love to cover all stories in depth but we do not have the resources to do this so we do what we can, where we can. Mod Team
 
 
# Diabloandco 2012-03-16 20:36
C'mon Wee Wales -win the six nations!
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-03-16 11:50
GK
So that is who was missing. I turned over at the end of the show and noticed mr Rennie but did not think anything of it. Mr kennedy has a habit of not turning up. He has been AWOL on occasion from This Week as well.
 
 
# proudscot 2012-03-16 13:59
Quoting Legerwood:
GK
So that is who was missing. I turned over at the end of the show and noticed mr Rennie but did not think anything of it. Mr kennedy has a habit of not turning up. He has been AWOL on occasion from This Week as well.


I know I'm showing my age here, but I recall how a famous C&W singer, George Jones, sadly became known as "no show Jones" - he even wrote a song of that title, parodying this - because of his problem with alcohol. I suspect, given Charlie K's similar well publicised problem with the amber nectar, his recent and increasing "no shows" is diminishing any credibility he might have had as a leader of the anti-independence coalition.

Mind you, an inebriated CK would probably still be preferable as a human being, than the likes of Forsyth, Foulkes, Moore and North British Broon, all rolled up together!
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 14:25
I thought Humza did well, but I had some reservations about the party political broacast he managed to get in at the end. I thought he would have been taken down by Dimbleby, but he managed to get it all out before they closed the programme.

Congratualtions to the bearded guy at the front of the audience.He got his say in very clearly and succinctly. He came over as very competent on the independence question. If it was anything to go by, Dimbleby avoided asking him any more opinions.
 
 
# velofello 2012-03-16 11:30
taimoshan: He was excellent; wee Ruth gushed; Rennie was OK'. Frank Field looked ill; Street-Porter was her usual non-intended comedy turn.
i've stopped watching too unless based outwith England and so matters other than England England England can be discussed.
 
 
# cwse07004 2012-03-16 11:32
I don't like the guy but he does have a point about Murdoch, you only need to look at America and Fox News to see the Murdoch agenda, Fox News, Wall St Journal etc are all used a propaganda peddling machines. Some would say that Fox News has broken democracy in America and I tend to agree, this guy is not to be trusted.
 
 
# tartanfever 2012-03-16 11:45
i agree, but the Murdoch agenda with Fox is only there to reinforce what is already present. In this case it provides news coverage for the republican bible bashers of the country. Equally, you have the opposite also present in American broadcasting with the likes of Keith Olbermann, a ranting democrat and so on.

The viciousness and muck raking is present throughout all of the American political broadcasting scene.

Elsewhere, like the UK papers, Murdoch's support tends to swing with the government of the day or whoever is proving to be most popular.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-03-16 14:32
The American Authorities are mounting something legal against Murdoch. They can even prosecute his companies for illegalities perpetrated in the UK and, unlike in the UK, there is no excuse in American law for hiding behind ignorance of anything that the company does.
 
 
# taimoshan 2012-03-16 11:38
Welcome Maen-Tramgwydd - the election was mention on here some time yesterday. To vellofello,gras sy knollington and tartan fever re remarks on Question Time. Won't watch - blood pressure. How was Humza received by the audience which I would expect to be fairly hostile?
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-03-16 11:44
He went down quite well ( for an SNP politician facing a hand picked BBC audience in St. Andrews! )

Your blood pressure would have been most at risk from the appalling Frank Field who complained that he was depressed by the audience who he had expected to charm him about independence instead of "grubbing about on the floor" ( presumably a reference to the Scots would vote Yes for an extra £500 question )

He was dreadful. Janet teeth Porter was predictably ignorant of Scottish politics and worried we were costing England money.
 
 
# Legerwood 2012-03-16 11:58
Like many who have commented above I take the view that Mr Salmond, in his role as First Minister, has to deal/meet with a lot of people. Mr Murdoch and his newspapers still employ a large number of people. Imagine the headlines if he had refused to meet Mr Murdoch.

An important pint to remember is this: Mr Murdoch came north to meet Mr Salmond. Mr Salmond did not fly half way round the world to court Mr Murdoch as some politicians have done eg. T Blair.

Mr Murdcoh and his editors are very good at reading the writing on the wall and translating it into an editorial position for or against particular parties. Thus he jumps ship when it is obvious that a party is going to lose an election and comes out in favour of the winner. BUT it is very unlikely that he and his newspapers' support decides the winner. That is the myth that has grown up about his power and so enthralled the Westminster politicians.

I think Mr Salmond is savvy enough to sup with a long spoon, or an extra long Caramel biscuit, when it comes to Mr Murdoch.
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-16 11:59
The only countries I ve been to where socialism works are Scandinavian.
They are capitalists ofcourse, but they keep the gap between rich and poor very small. Scotland should look towards Scandinavia to base its socialism on.
I felt sorry for the way Tommy has been treated, but I have far more faith in what AS says, and it is unfortunate that Scotland is in a media prison, we need to break this, even if it means talking to Murdoch.
 
 
# parsonrussell 2012-03-16 12:15
I understand Tommy's suspicion of Murdoch and his empire, however a successful 'YES' campaign needs an outlet for it's arguments in the main stream media, and whether we like him or not (which I would assume most would say NOT), Murdoch can supply the 'YES' camp with this.

I also dont think Tommy would bring that much to our campaign for a 'YES' vote. I believe he started out as a working class socialist standing up against the establishment for what he believed, but I also believe he has allowed his ego to take over.

I think he would turn more people away from our positive campaign than he would bring to it.
 
 
# Keef 2012-03-16 12:20
Tommy right or wrong you still plough the furrow of a dedicated socialist.

I'm pretty deppressed by a large number of the comments on here.

I think you are only pointing out a basic tenat of socialism.

There are times in life, moments in history, where pragmatism must usurp ideology, I believe Alex thought this was one of them.

The concerns you have voiced-though tinged by a personal sense of wrong doing, nontheless are accurate. Yes the SNP swept all before them in the election with a "impossible margin". Yes they should therfore feel safe in the knowledge that they have Scotland's backing. The reality though is we are still behind in the Yes vote. The SNP looking at this situation through a pragmatist's lense, understand part of the reason behind this is the false class conciousness that the people of Scotland share. This false conciousness is being perpetuated by the MSM. Therfore, steps must be taken to address this imbalance.

I hear what you say Tommy, and respect it as principled truth.

At this moment in time though, we need all the positive press we can get.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

But more power to you Tommy. We need more like you to remind us of what true socialism is.
 
 
# sneckedagain 2012-03-16 12:23
Well said, Wave Machine

Until such times as Tommy has the courage and the good sense to consign his argument with News International to the dustbin and move on he is a dubious asset. There is no doubt that NoW caught him at it, exposed a degree of hypocrisy which was then compounded by blatant perjury. Apologies and regret for this succession of events are in order and after that Tommy can be rehabilitated and use his undoubted great gifts to full purpose. Frankly the longer he bangs on about NI the less liklely he is to command any serious respect

And it would be unwise to imagine that News International was the only media outfit phone hacking
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-16 12:36
AS. is using his head, Scotland needs open debate not media bullying and scaremongering.
So what if he uses Murdoch.
Robert the Bruce had the magnaminity to forgive his enemies and use them to win the war.
When we re free the media will have to change to what modern European states have.
 
 
# Rafiki 2012-03-16 12:47
I am watching with interest the Trump episode.. Alex Salmond was castigated for meeting with Trump,and we got all sorts of "in his pocket" comments from the opposition (No capital letter deserved).
Now Trump has the hump and a Tory Convener of a Committee has "invited" Trump to appear before it! Will we be paying Trump's travel costs, and do I sense political opportunism?
 
 
# tom 2012-03-16 12:47
I see in the Irish Examiner that oil and gas have been found offshore around Cork. I hope someone tells them what a disaster this will be for them, that they will be not a penny better off as a result and their economy will henceforth flounder due to the unstable price of oil. AND WHAT WILL THEY DO WHEN IT RUNS OUT! What a catastrophe.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2012-03-16 12:56
lol that is bad luck. If only they had a big nearby neighbour willing to take the troublesome burden off their hands for them.
 
 
# proudscot 2012-03-16 14:05
...and give them pocket money instead, GK, come on now, be fair, don't forget about the pocket money...
 
 
# edinburgh quine 2012-03-16 15:34
I read that news with delight too. How wonderful for the Irish. At least they have their own government, so with sense and good husbandry, it should set up Ireland for the years ahead. Great news
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-16 12:56
It appears to me that Tommy, like many socialists, prefers dogmatism to pragmatism; an easy position to take if you're never likely to be in power.

The facts are that the Murdoch empire exists, and will continue to exist whatever is allowed to come out of the Leverson inquiry. His titles still shape people's opinions and he's still an important business figure. Whether we like what his titles do or not, he still manages to sell quite a few papers to people who don't much care what he does.

The arguments for independence need to be heard, just as the lies and scare stories of those supporting dependency need to be challenged. There seems to be little opportunity for this in any of the mainstream media. If meeting Murdoch results in an opportunity to partially redress the balance, I don't begrudge him a cup of tea and a caramel wafer.

If a significant business figure wishes to discuss the future of Scotland with the FM, I see no problem with that. The Unionists are doing their best to scare business away from Scotland and anything the FM can do to counter that - short of secret deals and special favours - is welcome.

I like Tommy, despite his colourful past, and I welcome his support for independence, but the fight for independence has to take place in the real world and it won't always be Queensbury rules.
 
 
# The Tree of Liberty 2012-03-16 13:46
Jiggsbro, you said exactly what I was trying to compose, only more eloquently.
 
 
# Mark 2012-03-16 16:19
Well said, i wish I could write as well as you.
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-16 12:59
Totally agree Jiggsbro
 
 
# Ben Power 2012-03-16 13:30
Among the parcel of rogues who signed off on the union was a popular person who gave all the signs of championing an independent Scotland.
He pretended to champion it then shafted us at the last minute.

I saw this happen in the Oz bill of rights and republican referendums as well.
Similar things happened during the French revolution as well. Some of the most fervent revolutionaries were actually in the employ of the elite and government to destroy the popular social movement for a new French state.

I am suggesting that supporters of an Independent Scotland be warned and not become seduced by popularist commentators who would have us attend to them only to find that they are are actually in the employ of Unionists.

From Alex Salmond's efforts to date he seems genuine in gaining independence for Scotland, so I am wary of criticism of him and SNP on independence.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-16 13:51
Thanks be for newsnetscotland where freedom of information bides,and Tommy Sheridan is given the platform,in stark contrast to the State Broadcasting Corporation,
the news temple of the British Establishment.

For goodness sake donate something to keep this site going.

The silent poor in Scotland who can't afford to put healthy food on the table,or pay the 'lectric,-----a disgrace in a UK(4th richest in the world?).
YES! I'll say it again,"They are poor".
In my profession,I see them every day---day in,day out.
Most of them are NOT 'scroungers'----put something,ON THEIR BEHALF,towards this site.

Link near top of page on the right.

I'm not getting paid for saying this----just on my high horse regarding the black hole in Scotland's news outlets,and of course in response to yesterday's busy discussion:-

www.newsnetscotland .com/index.php/scottish-opinion/4553-its-more-than-headlines-that-have-to-change-at-bbc-scotland
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-16 14:31
Quoting Dundonian West:
Thanks be for newsnetscotland where freedom of information bides,and Tommy Sheridan is given the platform,in stark contrast to the State Broadcasting Corporation,
the news temple of the British Establishment.
For goodness sake donate something to keep this site going.

The silent poor in Scotland who can't afford to put healthy food on the table,or pay the 'lectric,-----a disgrace in a UK(4th richest in the world?).
YES! I'll say it again,"They are poor".
In my profession,I see them every day---day in,day out.
Most of them are NOT 'scroungers'----put something,ON THEIR BEHALF,towards this site.

Link near top of page on the right.

I'm not getting paid for saying this----just on my high horse regarding the black hole in Scotland's news outlets,and of course in response to yesterday's busy discussion:-

www.newsnetscotland .com/index.php/scottish-opinion/4553-its-more-than-headlines-that-have-to-change-at-bbc-scotland

Me and my pal have donated to this site, and we arenae wealthy people.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-03-16 14:58
That's great guys----good for you.
Dissemination of the truth is all we seek----no more,no less.

In Scotland today we don't have a newspaper or TV channel committed to printing the facts.
Tragic.
 
 
# the wallace 2012-03-16 14:07
Dundeee, well said.
 
 
# Kinghob 2012-03-16 14:15
I don't think that we all have to share Tommy Sheridan's opinion on news media- he has had an easier ride than the SNP has after all except for getting the jail but as much as I hate the media Tommy walked into a jail sentence.

There is a big difference between protecting Scottish interests and jobs and actually "courting" Murdoch..........the first few sentences by Sheridan have been used by unionist politicians and their media friends with NO scrutiny of the love in Blair arhat her milliband cAmeron etc had and still have.

It is hypocritical of Tommmy to speak like a an anti SNP unionist because he hates Murdoch.
 
 
# rob4i 2012-03-16 14:24
# UpSpake says .....unless its all about being benificial to the ego boost that seems to underlay the Salmond personna.

Obviously a 'Salmond detester' the same as Tommy ia a 'Murdoch detester', although I am a bit of an admirer of Sheridan as a politician.

I must say to UpSpake, that I would think that Salmond would be the last person in Scotland to seek praise from anyone to boost his ego, he receives plenty of that from all over Scotland and even some of the politicians in Westminster who say he runs circles round the other parties,adding the inclusion of most in Westmister.

The only people who require an ego boost but won't get it, are all the other parties and YOU know it! annoying eh!!
 
 
# bigbuachaille 2012-03-16 15:53
Independence first, Tommy. We can deal with the socialism later, when we are in a position to determine our own affairs and only then. If we lose sight of the prime objective because some aspects of our life at present are not as we would wish to have them, then the prime objective is compromised.
 
 
# Juteman 2012-03-16 16:19
I used to be as far to the left as Tommy when i was young, then real life interfered with my views.
Murdoch may not be flavour of the month, but if he can help our cause in any way, then only a fool would ignore him.
I don't think Alex Salmond is a fool.
 
 
# Andyzx9 2012-03-16 16:26
Whilst I can agree with you to a certain extent Tommy about Murdoch being somewhat toxic unfortunately some would say including me that you are somewhat toxic for the Nationalist movement to be associated with too.
 
 
# robbie 2012-03-16 16:50
Tommy should also be aware that Mr Salmond was not partaking in a love in with Murdoch.

To suggest such a thing is quite silly and immature.

Grow up Tommy.
 
 
# Hirta 2012-03-16 17:11
Dear Tommy

Has it occurred to you that the FM met with Murdoch, and all that comes with him, because the BBC has failed Scotland and the SNP Govt?

"Using" News International is perhaps Wee Eck's way of getting to the British Broadcasting Corporation and all that is fundamentally wrong with them.
 
 
# Wave Machine 2012-03-16 17:30
Oh dear, just watched recording of QT from last night.

Tommy,

After watching Frank Field, who is, I understand, what passes for a socialist in Westminster, can you please try and rise above the level that Frank represents. I'll give you a clue Tommy; Frank was woeful and embarrassing.

It occurs to me that there is a space on the Left for a voice in Scotland. Slightly to the left of the progressive position that is the SNP.

I'll repeat what I said earlier on this thread. Tommy, for goodness sake, if you want to be and see yourself as a politician, then admit to your failings in the past, be apologetic for spoiling the hopes and expectations of those in the Scottish electorate who gave you their support and probably feel disappointed, if not cheated.

The trouble is that if you don't, then you will be pigeon holed with Frank Field, Johann Lamont and to many others who pretend or state that they occupy the Left, but whom the electorate hold in contempt or just simply laugh at.

Forget News International, Murdoch etc and start focussing on what is important for ordinary people and also stop rolling around in self pity. It doesn't and won't wash.

I for one will treat and listen to you with respect IF....you do as I suggest.

I repeat, the Left are being ridiculed and quite rightly. You are presented with an opportunity to do immense good. Scotland and Independence are to important, The debate is to important.

It's your call, Tommy.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-16 17:58
I do agree. However according to the political compass the SNP are very slightly left of absolute centre. I don't really know what 'slightly to the left of the progressive position' means. If you mean slightly left of what is currently regarded as the average centre I'd disagree, as this centre is now quite far to the right. SNP are a real centre-left party unlike pretend left parties like labour.

But I may have misunderstood what you meant :)
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-16 18:03
Quoting D_A_N:
I don't really know what 'slightly to the left of the progressive position' means.


"Slightly to the left of the progressive position that is the SNP", so 'slightly to the left of the SNP'.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-16 18:08
oh sorry. Yup, misread that :)

cheers
 
 
# scottish_skier 2012-03-16 18:10
Yes, according to the political compass, they are slightly left of centre based on their 2010 manifesto.

www.politicalcompass.org/.../

Of course by comparison with the Tories and Labour, the SNP are the far left.

The UK parties often talk about being 'the centre', but that's only because the UK centre is the right since Labour stopped being a socialist party.
 
 
# D_A_N 2012-03-16 18:20
Quite right.. I hope in a new independent Scotland we have a broad representation from all sides. Real left and real right.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-16 18:09
Quoting Wave Machine:
The trouble is that if you don't, then you will be pigeon holed with Frank Field, Johann Lamont and to many others who pretend or state that they occupy the Left, but whom the electorate hold in contempt or just simply laugh at.


People may well hold Tommy in contempt or ridicule, but I don't think anyone would say he's pretending to be of the Left. One certain way of identifying if someone is really a socialist is to see whether or not they fall out with the other socialists in their minority party and leave to form yet another splinter party. It's only the right that can form a coherent group, because they have neither philosophy nor principles and can all share the same, simple aim... "More cash for me!".
 
 
# Maryston4 2012-03-16 18:21
One certain way of identifying if someone is really a socialist is to see whether or not they fall out with the other socialists in their minority party and leave to form yet another splinter party. It's only the right that can form a coherent group, because they have neither philosophy nor principles and can all share the same, simple aim... "More cash for me!".

That is clearly ludicrous and lowers the standard of debate we all expect on here - including from you Jiggsbro.

Whether or not I, or you, agree with them, there are clearly those on the right of the political spectrum who have both a philosophy and principles.

Hopefully this was some tongue-in-cheek comment but if it was it certainly didn't come across.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-03-16 18:56
Quoting Maryston4:
Hopefully this was some tongue-in-cheek comment but if it was it certainly didn't come across.


Writing tends to come across in exactly the way it's read. Try reading it with your tongue in your cheek. It's a simple bit of humorous hyperbole to caricature the extremes of the political spectrum, from a point in the comfy chair on the middle ground.
 
 
# Maryston4 2012-03-16 18:59
Must be me today Jigg. Second time I've done it.

I'll take a tablet.
 
 
# Corm 2012-03-16 18:32
WB Tommy.

Does AS not have a duty to meet with the most influencial "media Baron" in the UK and a large employer and do deals with him? Just like he has met with other media groups in the past.

History indicates the media and those controlling it and politics and politicians are always inextricably linked by their very natures. In every country, regardless of political stripe.
 
 
# dtr 2012-03-16 19:58
Tommy, as the man said earlier, please put that great mind of yours towards addressing the resolution of this country's serfdom to a rapidly degenerating union. You have done so much for so many people who needed protection, I for one will always remember that the tyranny and pointless humiliation of warrant sales is over. How you won that I will never know but you did and that means that you can articulate your point so well that people will follow your lead. Deal with personal issues of course but please don't let them steer you away from the good you can do here to expose to those who don't see how we are all being used and abused in persuit of the goals of the few. I for one have been waiting for your help with this cause and I'm glad you're here with us.
 
 
# Giles 2012-03-16 20:00
Swallow your pride Mr Sheridan.
Alex Salmond can be trusted. He has proven that over and over again.

This is not about you this is about Scotland and its' Freedom. One chance in three hundred years.
we have no one in the media with us. What is the alternative. Can you suggest one.
 
 
# banditti 2012-03-16 20:42
I do not like anything that people like murdoch stand for the sun campaign against people on benefits disgusts me but anything that brings about independence for scotland is worth looking at. I just want to live in a free and fair society and tommy has a part to play in the future of our country
 
 
# daveniz 2012-03-16 23:54
I know that alex salmond met james Murdoch weather he is liked or not but you need to look at the bigger picture news international still employs people across Scotland and that will be one reason he has met him also look at it this way he is not meeting Murdoch in secret like labour did and I'm sure alex salmond won't take holidays with him or go to Murdoch family events etc!
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-17 00:28
The Brit parties spent vast sums courting Murdochs paper for their propaganda.
Scotland is in a dilema, we can break the media stranglehold on Scotland.
When we are Independent, we can then make the rules so that no media organisation, whether News International or the BBC can manipulate our population again. This is the way that the Irish and the Germans do it, if the paper prints lies then they will be shut down.
I have no problem with Tommy, but he lied and the Murdoch empire used illegal means to prove it.That is history and I dont care about it.
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-17 01:12
I dont want to offend anyone, but Tommy Sheridan can only do the Independence movement more harm than good, and I dont believe Independence is close to his heart, this article is all about himself and his bitterness towards the Murdoch empire.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-19 18:47
For so long as I can remember - and I remember the poll tax - Tommy Sheridan has been in favour of Scottish independence.
 
 
# Kinghob 2012-03-17 02:36
For Tommy to even begin to believe his first article for Newsnet had to mention the First Minister in comparison to those he might perceive as bing a threat to what he may believe as a threat to his political ideals makes me question him..........

Why not an attack on the unionist mindset, that media joke he must have heard of while in jail?

A tad sad I reckon to attack the Scottish Government leader though not an uncommon easy path of resistance.........just ask Jim Sillars.
 
 
# Boris Broon 2012-03-17 11:32
Tommy Sheridan, like the late Jimmy Reid before him, realises that any form of socialism is unachieveable in the context of the UK, therefore it is better to try and achieve it in Scotland where the populace has always been more receptive to the message.
 
 
# Angus 2012-03-18 21:05
Quoting Boris Broon:
Tommy Sheridan, like the late Jimmy Reid before him, realises that any form of socialism is unachieveable in the context of the UK, therefore it is better to try and achieve it in Scotland where the populace has always been more receptive to the message.

But Jimmy Reid was more pragmatic than Tommy, and he knew socialism was unachievable without a decent work culture
 
 
# brusque 2012-03-17 15:50
Disingenuous Mr Sheridan.

Whilst I fully comprehend your need to have a good rant about Murdoch, I can honestly not see why you had to marry it to comments about Independence?? Perhaps, Mr Sheridan you did not fully think through your reason for submitting this article, and perhaps you are still smarting from recent events and unable to divorce those from the reality of the situation; I just cannot see why stating "Yes to Independence, No to Murdoch" is relevant? I think Mr Salmond is not being given nearly enough credit for being astute enough to seek the support of at least one news outlet in the UK. You might just as well have said "Yes to Independence, No to Fox Hunting", it would not make any more sense!

Bitterness is never pleasant to witness, even if one feels it is warranted, using an article about Independence for Scotland is not the road to go down.

I'm sure Mr Sheridan could write the book on his perceived harsh treatment at the hands of Murdoch's Media Empire.

I'm also sure he would be of value in the drive for Independence.

He needs to separate the two though.

And just for clarity, I am not now, nor have I ever been "furious and confused" at Mr Salmond's contact with Mr Murdoch. I have every faith that it will be for the good of all Scots and Scotland.
 
 
# RandomScot 2012-03-17 17:44
I read that Mr Sheridan's lawyer is to join the Sun as a columnist
 
 
# williamdsym 2012-03-18 09:33
Welcome back Tommy,

Please please stop this rant, engage yourself,in the independence of Scotland.

And stop playing into the unionists hands.
( thanks Tommy )
 
 
# Magua 2012-03-18 21:10
Ah, the two curses of ALL politicians – selective amnesia and the incessant quest for publicity. While Comrade Sheridan rightly questions the First Minister’s involvement with Murdoch and condemns News International’s (NI) rabid, right-wing agenda; what a pity that “the normally astute” Tommy had to be reminded of these facts by outraged printworkers – in particular NI’s history of union-busting with the set-up of “Fortress Wapping” - when he made the “ill-judged” decision in 1992, to allow News of the World “journalist” Anvar Khan to interview him at Saughton prison, where he was serving a six month sentence for anti- Poll-tax activities.
Perhaps, justifiably, Tommy felt that his story from prison should be read by as many people as possible – but published in the News of the World? Was this more important than the 6,000 printworkers who had been robbed of their jobs in 1986/7 at the hands of Murdoch - backed by Thatcher? That said, Tommy immediately turned his back on News International when the printworkers’ accusations of treachery were made known to him. However, given the proud boast made by this odious organization that “Nobody F**KS with News International!” , I am in no doubt that they promised retribution for Tommy’s humiliating “snub” – no matter how long it took! So, remarkably, Tommy not only managed to p*ss off News International, but also the printworkers and, indeed, large sections of the working-class which he still fantasizes that he represents. Now that’s a real politician!
 
 
# cokynutjoe 2012-03-19 15:36
Tommy Sheridan would do well to check out the words of "A Ship Called Dignity", I'ts about a guy, a grafter, who sweeps the streets & picks up rubbish for twenty years, to realise his dream of owning a wee boat and sailing the West Coast. The dignity of work and the working class is very much involved here.
A picture of T.Sherridan in a "Workin Jaiket" on the front page of the Sun would be grounds for legal action.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2012-03-19 18:52
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