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By Ken McNeil

I was interested to read about Gordon Brown’s Donald Dewar lecture at the Edinburgh book festival.

Let me say straight away I have not seen the full text of his speech and this article is based on the video and reported comments I have seen.

Delivering the Donald Dewar lecture on Monday, Mr Brown said the debate about Scotland’s future "must rise to a new level".

He added: "The future of Scotland - and the fate and fortune of the Scottish people - is too serious, the jobs of too many people, the livelihoods of too many families, the prospects for too many young people too important - for the arguments of the next two years to be anything other than substantive."

Well he’ll get no argument from me there.  Perhaps he could remind other Unionists and the representatives of his party in particular of the importance of the seriousness of the debate.
On the substantive I beg to differ.  On virtually every point his arguments seem not to support the continuation of the Union but to argue for an independent Scotland.

According to Mr Brown: "the 'modern union' is based on the pooling and sharing of risks and resources, allowing the UK to support all citizens and allowing everyone to be more equal."

The reality is that Scottish resources e.g. our ocean and mineral riches, are squandered or used as negotiating weapons with the EU when they could infinitely enrich an independent Scotland. 
Successive UK governments have used our oil reserves to prop up the pound, finance destructive de-industrialisation policies or to fund tax hand outs.

We are the only oil rich country I know of which has failed to establish a government body to preserve and manage those resources.  As to equality, the gap between the haves and have nots is the widest it has been in 60 years.

Mr Brown also says: "Pooling and sharing our resources - through a national insurance and taxation system - has made possible a National Health Service where, while we have distinctive forms of local management, the risks of expensive health care are pooled and shared across the UK."

The NHS has always been separately managed in Scotland and since devolution and an SNP Government the differences have become marked.  Free prescriptions, not building hospitals on PFI, not privatising services and even abolishing parking charges in NHS hospitals all highlight the more socially responsible policies adopted in Scotland.

Health care is expensive of course but the fact that Scotland contributes more than her fair share of revenue to the Treasury shows that there is no transfer of resources from the UK.

"We can point also to the armed forces where we are clearly better protected because we pool our expertise and resources." says Brown.

That unfortunately is laughable.  The UK government is slashing the number of our forces, closing bases across Scotland and would have cancelled the aircraft carriers being built largely in Scotland if getting out of the contract if cancellation penalties hadn't been more than the cost of completion.

Their response to a Russian fleet appearing in the Moray Firth recently was to send a single destroyer from Portsmouth which took 36 hours to get there.  The Vikings in longboats could have sacked Inverness and been half way home before the Royal Navy turned up.

He went on to say that if Scotland were to become independent, "social ties would be broken and the country would suffer."

This is standard Unionist scaremongering.  Social ties will remain.  Family will still be family wherever they are in Britain's landmass.  No passports, no border posts and your granny won’t become a 'foreigner'.

Mr Brown said: "I suggest that if through some version of independence we break this apart and set nationally or regionally varied minimum pay rates, nationally varied corporation tax rates and nationally varied social security rates we will start a race to the bottom under which the good provider in one area would be undercut by the bad and the bad would be undercut by the worst.

"Because the whole purpose of the break up would be to end the pooling and sharing of resources and legislate for different social and economic rights, the equal rights of citizenship we have built from values we hold in common would come to an end."

Of course if Scotland is an independent country its Parliament and government will decide pay rates, corporation tax rates etc.  A race to the bottom? I don’t think so.

The UK government has cut and is committed to cutting further, corporation tax rates.  The UK government is prepared to devolve the setting of corporation tax rates to Northern Ireland (but not Scotland) to help them better compete with Eire.

A free Scotland would, like any other nation, set these rates at a level to encourage business whilst ensuring an appropriate tax take. The Scottish Government and some councils like Glasgow already provide minimum pay rates for their workers which are above those set down in UK statute.  So who is racing to the bottom?

Equal rights of citizenship? I’m all for that.  Electors in an independent Scotland would be able to vote for a parliament of their choice and a government of their choice, a right denied them by a parliamentary system where their representatives number only 59 out of 650.

Welcome to the debate Gordon.

Comments  

 
# UpSpake 2012-08-14 08:50
I beg to differ with Brown's assertion of Equal rights. Scots, independent would be citizens of our country where the people would be sovereign.
The English and the Welsh would be subjects of the Crown and parliament in Westminster which is sovereign and the people, without rights.
Who would be envious of whom then ?.
 
 
# Albalha 2012-08-14 09:02
I too have been trying to locate a link as I'd like to read more about this, taken from a Guardian article, nothing short of bizarre. Israel, Gaza, I ask you.

The average person in Scotland was just 4% worse off than the average person in England, he said. That contrasted with the difference between, say, Luxembourg, where the average person is six times better off than the average person in Bulgaria; or the United States, where the average person was over three times better off than the average person in Mexico. He also cited differences between Israel and Gaza, and between different parts of the US.

guardian.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# dunnichen 2012-08-14 11:07
Aye Broonie's very clever at picking and choosing numbers to suit his case. Unfortunately the reality is miles away from his vision.
The facts are:

1/ After 13 years of a UK labour government the Gini index ended up wider than it was at the start of their period in office. This must be continually rammed home to them because it's evidence of a complete failure of his admittedly redistributive leanings.
2/ The UK is the fourth most unequal country in the world - what utter bull...t to be making an equality argument in favour of remaining in the union - it's precisely because we seek greater equality that we need out. In fact this argument of his treats us like imbeciles and is utterly insulting.
3/ 300 years of the union has seen our relative share of the population move from one fifth to one twelfth. People will naturally gravitate towards centres of power, where wages are higher. This is why we need centres of power in Scotland.
 
 
# NkosiEcosse 2012-08-14 13:10
There is more Unionist twaddle by Simon Johnson, "Scottish Political Editor" in the telegraph, unfortunately there are no comment facilities available to enlighten him of his misrepresentati on of the fact.

Here are the links anyway:

telegraph.co.uk/.../...

telegraph.co.uk/.../...

They are certainly running scared.
 
 
# Leswil 2012-08-14 14:33
Brown.
Of course he said, "this not about the past, it's about the future"
Neat try Gordon, you would say that wouldn't you!

Your time in office was littered with disasters of one sort as the other.

Aided and abetted by Your Darling, you laid waste to the financial world as we all knew it.

Who paid? the public paid, with ever more sneaky taxation moves, my nickname for you was "The Pickpocket", and well deserved.

Yet you wanted even more deregulation of the financial services. Lax indeed.

So who exactly are you to tell us how we would be financially worse off?
Not as if you have a good track record to exhibit.

Gordon, take your Darling and McCleish, go and retire to somewhere warm, play snap, and write another unsuccessful book, while it may not make money,it would allow you to retire peacefully and out of our way.
 
 
# robbo 2012-08-14 18:39
The point about a tax race to the bottom is perfectly valid - brown is weak minded but he is intelligent. Market forces will set into British (the island) tax systems just like price wars reduce prices to the consumer. If Scotland set income tax to 5%, businesses would move to Scotland from England because the market is so tightly coupled. England would have to react, and would be incentivised to go even lower (and steal Scotland's business back) and the cycle continues. At the minute the UK has a monopoly on the island, so it can maintain a higher rate and the theory that there would be downwards pressure if this monopoly went is perfectly correct.

In practise i do not think the effect would be that large, because there relative economy sizes are quite different.

Personally i like the effect - i've always advocated allocated large levels of taxation to local councils away from central government almost to the extent of privatising councils (hehe). This way our tax money would be spent more rationally and wisely.
 
 
# Jiggsbro 2012-08-15 14:01
Quoting robbo:
If Scotland set income tax to 5%, businesses would move to Scotland from England because the market is so tightly coupled. England would have to react, and would be incentivised to go even lower (and steal Scotland's business back) and the cycle continues. .


In a perfect market, this would be true. In practice, there are significant constraints. Both countries have a limited area and limited workforce, businesses can incur significant costs in relocating which can outweigh (in the short term) any marginal tax benefits, some businesses do have a wider view of stakeholders that goes beyond just shareholders and incorporates community, supply chains and logistics can constrain location...well, you get the picture. Minor variations in corporation tax will only cause minor variations in attracting and retaining business, particularly if - as seems increasingly possible - steps are taken by both governments to ensure profits are taxed where they are made.
 
 
# brh206 2012-08-15 08:36
Gordon Brown is an opportunist and no one should take anything he says seriously. Under his Party the gap between the rich and poor grew wider than at anytime in history. Under Blair and Brown the Labour Party became the northern branch of the Tory Party. Under Brown the idea of a just and fair society became a society that if you were an MP, a Banker or incompetent like Mervin King you would rise to the top and see your income go through the roof, if you dared be disabled, unemployed or poor you would pay and continue to pay for the mistakes of the wealthy. When will people wake up and stop listening to these people. Gordon Brown cares about Gordon Brown, he has never cared about me or you, he certainly doesn't care about the future of Scotland, he only cares about maintaining the status quo that keeps him and his lot on top and the rest of us paying for it. Please do not listen to this man.
 
 
# Marga B 2012-08-15 10:00
Brown's remarks on Scotland being "only" 4% worse off than the UK average and comparisons between the US and Mexico have hit the headlines in the Independentist press here in Catalonia.

A brief article gently invites ridicule and includes an SNP response, an elegant exercise that maybe the Scottish press should be capable of:

ara.cat/.../...

Just one of unanimously critical comments;
"Only 4% worse off ... so why don't you correct this deficit, park the British nationalism and stop treating the other British nations like colonies and maybe they'll want to stay."
 
 
# rodmac 2012-08-15 12:57
The text of Browns lecture, followed by my response is here:

.../in-the-brown-stuff
 
 
# Caledonian Lass 2012-08-18 11:09
Quoting rodmac:
The text of Browns lecture, followed by my response is here:

.../in-the-brown-stuff


Great response to Brown's lecture.

The bold Gordon has suddenly made a reappearance after being out of the public eye for some considerable time to promote the 'benefits' of remaining in the Union. Well, he could have saved himself the bother because he was actually spouting rubbish.

In an independent Scotland he would be out of a job and well he knows it.

If Scotland should decide to stay in the Union (God forbid!) we could say goodbye to free prescriptions, personal care allowance for the elderly and University student fees would be reinstated. The NHS would return to the PFI system, too.

Apart from all this, Dalgety Bay is in Brown's constituency and he's done nothing to clear up the situation.
 
 
# Leswil 2012-08-15 21:16
Rodmac

Good stuff!!
 
 
# call me dave 2012-08-15 22:47
Well argued on every point.
Demolishes Gordon's message and leaves the reader only one sensible conclusion.

Vote YES in 2014 for independence.
 
 
# rhymer 2012-08-18 13:29
I think Gordon's response will be to mortgage Scotland's oil reserves to pay for the London Olympics and all the PPI sleeze
 

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