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  By Derek Bateman
 
If you are looking for the kind of insidious, nasty nationalism Johann Lamont ascribes to the Scots, try Simon Heffer in the Daily Mail.

I hesitate to put up a link as there is something repellent about it but he contrives to make a case for all the myths about Scotland that have shored up the London elite’s scorn since the Thatcher years.

You know, subsidised by English taxpayers – happily for them, not the Welsh nor the Irish – being ungrateful feckless junkies living in a dump with workshy unhealthy shirkers who are so stupid they want to leave the mothership until their oil runs out and then they’ll be back with the begging bowl. Nice, eh? To say this is wrong on so many levels, even hardened Unionists would agree.

The subsidy part is disproved systematically by the official figures. The irony here is that the subsidy junkie myth originated in the late 80’s when Scotland’s oil was flowing at its fullest, gushing cash into the London coffers and paying Mrs Thatcher’s unemployment bill. Self- awareness isn’t a strength of the British elite.

The piece is not so much journalism as an incitement to hate. I try to test this sometimes by substituting, so that Scot is removed and replaced with Black, Jew or Woman. It can be revealing as to the author’s real intent. I’m not sure that legally you can be racist towards Scots if you are English and vice versa although it is an aggravating factor in a case of criminal violence. At any rate, this article smelled like anti Scottish racism to me, designed to be gratuitously and viciously offensive.

Similarly, Andrew Gilligan, for whom many of us in the BBC were ready to go to the barricades years ago, works very hard in the Telegraph – headline: Hatred at the heart of Scotland’s struggle to be free – to link the Yes Campaign to European neo-fascists and anglophobia, picking up on the somewhat discredited Vicky Featherstone claims that her professional problems were down to discrimination and then applying the same tag to Alasdair Gray’s call for arts administrators to understand the Scottish tradition before taking influential appointments. (Jonathan Mills, anyone?)

Even the Observer had Catherine Bennett saying she was in favour of independence but warning Scots not to descend into tartan, Bannockburn and anglophobia.

Is there a common trend here?

Well, there is one I can detect. It is an irresistible temptation to English-based writers to think the independence movement is all about them. In trying to write for a largely English audience they frame the discussion around themselves, rather than the Scots. So independence is a rejection of the English.

It is a snub, a slight against well-intentioned Unionists who have agreed to share their wealth and allow Scots into the upper reaches of their society. It seems to be the only way they can interpret what is happening. We are essentially irrational quasi racists.

So that explains it then. Is it asking too much that our neighbours give us credit for independent thought, for having a separate history and cultural tradition, distinctive politics, and ambition? Why on earth is self-determination – part of the preamble to the United Nations charter – only comprehensible if it’s seen as rejection of someone else? Rather stunted, petty nationalistic thinking, wouldn’t you say?

Which brings up another point, best represented by Heffer. (I know you can dismiss his rantings as bigotry best ignored but if you add the circulations of the Mail, the Telegraph and Observer you have a few million readers.) It is this. He writes with such sadistic relish in trashing the Scots – and it is all Scots by the way, not just Nats…no escape here for Unionists – that he reveals what I think is a deeper truth. I think Heffer and his tribe actually enjoy the idea of subsidising the Scots. They derive real satisfaction from feeling they lord it over us and brush crumbs from their table.

A characteristic of the self-selecting British elite is an effortless assumption of superiority and an epic sense of entitlement, so that even when Britain is mired in one of the world’s worst debt crises – public and private – even when it is deeply uncompetitive, hopelessly unequal, dependent on one main income source, with a medieval parliament, they still believe – utterly – that they know best. Anything else is to be disparaged and derided and if you can add in a dash of ethnic inferiority you further bolster their self-esteem as the Chosen Ones.

Here’s a thought. Why do Scottish Unionists never stand up and condemn this kind of anti-Scottish and indeed, anti-Union, ranting? Douglas Alexander is in the papers warning of the dangers of nationalism. I know. He means Scottish nationalism but is it acceptable for those like Douglas who present themselves as thinkers and leaders to stay silent when those who pretend to be on his side damage his cause and insult his constituents with their British nationalism?

Wouldn’t it do him a lot of good in the eyes of all Scots to condemn anyone who writes off his nation and accuses a movement which contains a fair number of his own natural supporters of being racists? Where are you, Douglas? Do you agree with Heffer and Gilligan?

One of the unreported moments from our day on the hill was the speaker who said explicitly that anyone of any nationality was one of us, a fellow Scot, that all were welcome. It got one of the biggest cheers of the day.

Here’s a challenge, Douglas. Could you stand up at the Labour conference and say the same. Could you say people of all backgrounds are welcome in our country – Britain – as equals with equal rights? Would delegates cheer as they did on the hill or would you be met by silence, then whispering from the advisers and hysterical, racist headlines followed by demotion?

The rise of UKIP and a glance at the rapidly developing anti immigrant agenda of the Coalition and Labour points an accusing finger at the real petty nationalists and quasi racists in modern Britain.


Courtesy of Derek Bateman

Comments  

 
# RaboRuglen 2013-09-24 06:55
Hi there,

I have always felt there is something inherently nasty at the heart of the "British establishment". Mr Bateman exposes its distillation in this article. That these opinions are widespread in England is demonstrated by the fact of these publications' popularity and the lack of any reaction against them.

Why would any self-respecting Scots want to be governed by a society of which a good-sized proportion of its population despise them?

Regards,
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2013-09-24 07:34
Compare the Yes campaign to the No campaign.

Yes Campaign: National Collective, Women for Indy, SNP, Scottish Socialist, Scottish Greens, Solidarity, CND, business for Scotland (SOCIALIST) Labour for Indy, and other diverse SOCIAL INCLUSIVE groups.

No Campaign: Tory Conservative, Tory Labour, Tory LibDem, UKIP BNP EDL SDL Orange Lodge. A whos who of RIGHT WING exclusion bigotry extremism elitism and racism. Thats why right wing NeoCon extremists like Heffer are supportive of them. The kettle calling the teapot black.
 
 
# Jimmy The Pict 2013-09-24 07:34
Reminds me of a lyric

"We Gotta Get Outa This Place"
 
 
# Macart 2013-09-24 07:50
As Derek noted the 'left wing' (and I use the term loosely) press aren't exactly free of the taint of incitement either. There have been a number of columns to date even in the Guardian of all papers which have come near the knuckle. Whether click bait or a true reflection of the editorial line, matters not a jot. When it hits the page it becomes a means to demonise and marginalise.

I find it hard to believe in the media anymore TBH. I doubt that I personally, will ever be able to forgive what they're doing right now and I'll make damn sure my kids view the press with at least as skeptical an eyeball as they would your average run of the mill politico. The very few out there who actually perform a public service, or through whose personal courage the worst atrocities and scandals are brought into the light simply don't make up for the sins of the vast number of populist hacks who peddle the trash Derek has outlined above.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2013-09-24 07:52
My thoughts exactly Mr Bateman.

There is yet another inane article in the DM about re building Hadrian's wall - it's my personal favourite as an acid test of intelligent debate!

I am surprised that folk haven't cottoned on to the idea that the DM prints an entirely different "Scottish" front page and treats the rest of the UK to a somewhat less flattering view of Scots and Scotland .
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2013-09-24 08:21
I just read the article and to be honest it doesn't come across as an attempt to be persuasive or informative it looks more like a tongue in cheek have a go for a laugh type of deal. I actually don't think Heffer was trying to be serious at all. I think its more an attempt to raise comment on their blog site to help with the advertising rather than trying to establish a realistic line of thought. Even for Heffer there is no real effort in the piece at all.
 
 
# Old Smokey 2013-09-24 08:54
I believe the Heffer article was only in the English print edition of the Daily Mail and not the Scottish edition
 
 
# Marga B 2013-09-24 08:29
Surely it's not just what Derek Bateman says, which is very powerfully expressed, it's who is saying it.

When are the MSM or more likely the Guardian etc. going to catch up with this? It's too good to miss, both in personal and political terms.

And as well as working in Catalonia at one point, his BBC profile, still on the Internet, includes this:

"He made a location documentary series on the Quebec referendum in 1995 and another on the handover of Hong Kong to China the following year."

So Mr Bateman has some very special expertise here.
 
 
# john__ 2013-09-24 08:33
I blame the fee paying schooling of the people that form the elite in British society. Those schools (I went to one) try to teach that you are superior to ordinary people and that you are a natural leader. I rejected those lessons because they didn't sit right with my psyche, however members of the British establishment seem to have lapped it all up with relish.
I can understand trying to instill confidence and belief in yourself, as these are focused inwards. However there is a fine line, and when it leads to the thought that you are naturally "better" than other people then it has gone too far and that line has been crossed. To be fair, I think that they are trying to teach the former, but I think that the members of the British establishment like heffer and Gilligan have learnt the latter.

John
 
 
# Jamieson 2013-09-24 10:49
Gilligan's piece on Sunday in the Telegraph was full of half truths and innuendo and was based on a Group VVB from Belgium who attended the Independence rally. He claimed it to be extreme right wing group. In fact it is an anti-fascist group and that is stated clearly in its credo. There IS another group in Belgium the VB which IS an extreme RW group. Maybe Gilligan was confused or maybe he knew the truth but true to form went ahead with the lies anyway.
Heffer is a racist of the worst kind. I am sure he knows the truth about Scotland and its economics et al but that doesn't suit his agenda which is to belittle Scots and Scotland every time he is allowed to do so. Reason? For all their apparent superficial arrogance there is a sense that in fact the English feel inferior to and resent Scots, after all we have been running the UK for years.
 
 
# pomatiaH1 2013-09-24 08:34
I would lay bets that even if there were as No vote, the future rise of the real nasty nationalism from the BNP etc, would be laid at our door for fueling it, with the Independence Referendum!
 
 
# H Scott 2013-09-24 08:39
British establishment types like Heffer don't just have such negative attitudes to Scots, they have it towards all kinds of other people including English people such as single mothers, benefit scroungers, people who don't speak English with Received Pronunciation as well as other nationalities such as illegal immigrants, legal immigrants of the 'wrong' type. Basically, everyone who isn't one of them.
 
 
# RTP 2013-09-24 09:15
Quote.
The piece is not so much journalism as an incitement to hate. I try to test this sometimes by substituting, so that Scot is removed and replaced with Black, Jew or Woman.

Mr Bateman this part says it all merry hell would break out if this article by Heffer was pointing at others. How many Scots are able to read the article as it has been mentioned a different fron page is used in Scotland.
 
 
# BirdOnTheWire 2013-09-24 09:22
I don't usually comment here but I just had to login to say that this is an absolutely brilliant piece of writing. If I didn't struggle so much to string a sentence together/express myself in writing I would say more.

The reason I find this article so brilliant is because Derek Bateman has put into words exactly what I've been feeling since the start of the Independence debate.

Thank you very much Mr Bateman.
 
 
# africraig 2013-09-24 12:49
PS BirdOnTheWire, i like your comments, they seem well written and expressed... it would be good to hear more of your views!

(I also struggle to express my views properly or write well...it takes a long time to get anything out properly.!)
 
 
# Muz 2013-09-24 09:23
I think it more likely that Douglas Alexander, Alistair Darling, Johann Lamont, and all political careerists will likely laugh along with Simon Heffer. They need to quietly accept Heffer's views in order to gain promotion.
 
 
# Ard Righ 2013-09-24 09:30
The institutionalis ed racism of Westminster is a latter day and very English "ordeal". Who's feet will they metaphorically attempt to roast next? Boiled Salmond anyone?
We came from reason and good example. Not anglocentricity and anti-Scoticisms- in fact- anti-celticisms, by way of divide and rule. Independence is not dependence on an outmoded and fading elite. Self assertion and choosing the path ahead is the business of our future in the community of our realm.
 
 
# RTP 2013-09-24 09:32
From the article.

"Furthermore, I believe that an independent Scotland would soon find itself unequal to the struggle of self-government, because the English money tap would be turned off. Its people would have to work, or starve.

Is this what the Better Together think I wish the likes of Adams,Brewer,or Kerr wouldask them.
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2013-09-24 11:12
Come on look at the language he's using who would use terms such as "English money tap" in a serious article trying to make a serious point or promote a serious agenda. The whole article is so shallow and devoid of effort not even a rabid UKIP supporter would take comfort from it. Its an advertising column. Designed specifically to pull in comment and promote the online paper. If this were a serious effort then Heffers own credibility and persona would be the only thing to suffer.
 
 
# DonaldMhor 2013-09-24 09:39
One of the best pieces I have read yet. Perhaps Derek will regale us with the inside line on BBC Scotland Politics department which we all can see is institutional rotten.
 
 
# BirdOnTheWire 2013-09-24 09:47
PS

Dear Derek Bateman

If you decide to stand for parliament in 2016 I'll vote for you.

If you decide to write a book I'll buy it not only for myself and but for everyone on my Christmas present list.

If you decide to start a newspaper/buy out the Scotsman I'll be the first to subscribe.


Thank you.
 
 
# X_Sticks 2013-09-24 11:01
Hear Hear! BirdOnTheWire.

I'll second that sentiment.
 
 
# balgayboy 2013-09-24 10:22
Well done Derek, great article.
 
 
# Marga B 2013-09-24 10:33
Is there a video of the Scottish march anywhere?

Here is one of the Catalan Via.

vilaweb.cat/.../...
 
 
# Daughter of Evil Reindeer 2013-09-24 11:33
 
 
# creigs1707repeal 2013-09-24 12:05
Quoting Marga B:
Is there a video of the Scottish march anywhere?

Here is one of the Catalan Via.

vilaweb.cat/.../...


Here's a video of the day. The aerial shots are fab and Nicola's speech very moving and inspiring. Police Scotland give official attendance as 20,000 (which probably means it was more).

www.youtube.com/.../

YES Scotland
 
 
# call me dave 2013-09-24 12:27
# Marga B

wingsoverscotland.com/.../
------------------------------

PS:
Hear Hear! BirdOnTheWire.

I'll echo that sentiment too.
 
 
# jimmcdougall 2013-09-24 12:38
Quoting Marga B:
Is there a video of the Scottish march anywhere?


I posted a video 18 mins long on You Tube - search for "March & Rally For Scottish Independence"

There are several others listed.
 
 
# 1314 2013-09-24 13:38
 
 
# Daughter of Evil Reindeer 2013-09-24 10:58
Great article!

Link to the best video of the march and rally on the hill...


www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# reconvene 2013-09-24 11:04
Derek, a great article. I think BBC Scotland are now wishing they had hung on to you a bit longer; at least, until after the Referendum.

To Quote Lyndon B Johnston about J Edgar Hoover.

“I’d rather have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in”
 
 
# balgayboy 2013-09-24 11:23
Derek, why not try and invite Mr Heffer to an open debate on his opinions? preferably in Scotland. I'm sure crowd sourcing would finance the costs.
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2013-09-24 11:29
Come on! Compare Batemans effort above with Heffers. Bateman is TRYING to come across with ARTICULATION DEPTH VALID POINTS OF VIEW OBSERVATION & using MEANINGFUL PROSE.
Heffer fills his article with soundbites childish prose deliberate bare faced insult no articulation no effort no depth no valid view point. IT IS A WIND UP not a genuine effort at propaganda unless its supposed to appeal to Kindergarten readers.
 
 
# andygm 2013-09-24 16:03
I tend to agree with you. It's just click bait. Useful click bait though. I sent a link to it to my son whom I think is an undecided at the moment.
 
 
# saporian1707 2013-09-24 11:33
Once again, right on the button. I have joined the YES campaign and signed the Declaration. I marched against the sprinbok tour (1970). Rested, then marched against Iraq war, Was on the Hill Sunday; ready to march all the way to September 18 2014. Keep up your great effort, Derek.
 
 
# NkosiEcosse 2013-09-24 11:46
Video on Scottish march is on Wings over Scotland.

wingsoverscotland.com/.../

Hope this helps.
 
 
# proudscot 2013-09-24 12:07
Brilliant article Derek. Footnote: we don't even need the likes of Heffer, Gilligan, et al to denigrate Scots and Scotland. If you watch Westminster's Scottish Questions, or the laughably named Scottish Affairs Committee, you will hear equally anti-Scottish and anti-independence rhetoric from self-professed Scottish MPs.

These home-grown mainly Labour and (diminishing) LibDem MPs, such as Douglas Alexander, Jim Murphy, Margaret Curran, Iain Davidson, Michael Moore, Danny Alexander, Ming Campbell, etc. along with their House of Lords equivalents (Forsyth, Foulkes, Browne, etc.) are quite adept at denigrating and insulting Scotland, without any help from anyone else.
 
 
# africraig 2013-09-24 12:30
In my experience, what you mention about independence being a 'rejection of the English' and that we are seen as 'irrational quasi-racists' holds up.My wife is English and so I have a lot of interaction with English people. The reaction I get from them is similar to what you describe. It seems to me that they consider nationalists as stupid too. We are temporarily staying at my parents-in-law's home in England and there were a group around. I didn't bring the subject up(I usually won't) They asked my view on independence and I told them. Their faces showed complete shock and the whole group looked at me as though something was wrong. It was embarrassing and my wife couldn't believe it. Next came comments about how poor we will become. Also, we have to raise support from friends and church as we do volunteer work in Uganda. One of them hinted as a family, we would get less support from the English if Scotland was independent. It can actually be quite hurtful and discouraging.
 
 
# Claverhouse 2013-09-24 15:21
Leader of the Pack..
People like Heffer hide behind 'its only a joke' or its a 'wind up' just in case these people get 'pulled up' from there we Scots get accused, by the same people, of 'having a chip on our shoulder'
Its racist when you profile people, end of
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2013-09-25 08:47
Claverhouse

No doubt. But in this particular case the language gives away the fact that its tongue in cheek & not a serious attempt at vindictive propaganda. I have zero tolerance for the likes of Heffer believe me but this is how folk like him have fun at our expense. In this case he can claim its all tongue in cheek because its all too easy to see it is. There may very well be avid DM readers to soak up this kind of rhetoric there always will be but it doesn't validate it. Lets not end up like Black America where every "PERCEIVED" slight intentional or not is taken as an affront to our dignity. Lets not lose our ability to "rib" the English and be "ribbed" by them in turn. Its all too easy to get wrapped up in PR and get a sense of exclusion from everybody else. This may even be his motivation? Over sensitise us to our very own Identity?
 
 
# Jamie Black 2013-09-25 20:46
It doesn't happen often, in fact this might be the first time, but I agree with virtually every word Mr/Mrs Leader of the Pack. Of course it's a wind up!
 
 
# Astonished 2013-09-24 15:33
africraig - The English are being lied to by the media ( as we are). No wonder they take a mad view of things.

Scotland is not rejecting the English, Scotland is rejecting westmonster and the house of lards.

This simple explanation usually suffices.
Don't worry they'll eventually come round.
 
 
# Daughter of Evil Reindeer 2013-09-24 15:51
Douglas Alexander comes across as a conscientious person but sadly I think this is a performance.

Some footage of him in "The Fear Factor" twisting the facts.

www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# gus1940 2013-09-24 16:31
If there isn't already a law allowing prosecution of The Daily Mail for the vile hatred, racism and xenophobia against not just Scots but all who are not members of their self-appointed chosen race that pours from its pages and comments daily it's high time there was.

Even though the Scottish edition of that hateful rag carries a different front page it is still filled daily with hysterical lies and distortion directed at The YES Campaign and The SNP and Alex Salmond in particular.

Funnily enough after having given up on The Scotsman in disgust after 44 years of faithful readership The Mail is the only paper I now purchase on about 2 or 3 days per week. My justification is a need to keep an eye on what the b------s are saying plus the fact that if one looks beyond the political excreta there is quite a lot of good reading for the money.
 
 
# call me dave 2013-09-24 16:57
Pensions:
We will not hear or see a proper exchange of information in the media regarding this issue.

The unionist 'white noise' will attempt to misdirect people from the fact that Scotland can well afford to pay a pension at least as good as we will get in the UK and perhaps better.

Ms Sturgeon begins the task of outlining the initial plans after independence here:

bbc.co.uk/.../...

PS: Some raised the issue of the flag again.

See the labour party ; One Nation!
Aye right!

Say's it all really be afraid to vote NO be very afraid.

www.facebook.com/.../
 
 
# ScotsCanuck 2013-09-24 17:27
My hat is off to you again Mr Bateman, a first class article.
We are now passing through Gandhi's phase II "... they laugh at you", resembles more of a patronizing sneer to this observer, onto phase III "... they fight you ".
As you note, Douglas Alexander, SHOULD be "between a rock and a hard place" when his English Unionist Allies belittle the land of his birth (sorry, it sticks in my craw to call him Scottish), his constituents and the population in general, but hold, this is the brother who sacrificed his own sister (allegedly) to protect in part his own political career.
Snake-oil salesman would be flattery.
No, this this duplicitous charlatan would make Pontius Pilot blush.
The anti-English diatribe spewing forth from, predominantly, the English press against YES is nothing more than rabble rousing as it has been stated time and again, it's CIVIC nationalism that YES is a proponent of and Scots by birth are equal to Scots by adoption, both are SCOTTISH.
 
 
# call me dave 2013-09-24 18:14
Labour NHS promise
Ed Milliband has told the Labour conference he has had a vision – that people from one country who fall ill in another can be treated as if they lived there.
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derekbatemandotnet1.wordpress.com/
 
 
# Independista 2013-09-24 18:46
Brilliant article Derek. And very timely. To quote Socrates
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
 
 
# chicmac 2013-09-24 19:04
Well said Derek. I just posted a comment with similar message over on Wings.

It has always struck me a most peculiar quirk of language that the same word - 'nationalism' can in different contexts (Scottish or British) take on such a different meaning.

I am not talking about different positions on the same spectrum here but rather meanings precisely opposite in nature.

One is based on concepts of entitlement, privilege and class with a commensurate ruling elite which has no compunction in 'correcting' those unfortunates who fall short of their obviously superior standards. Even to the point of direct intervention. And such a beneficent act will, of course, require payment by the benefitees.

The other is the antithesis. Anti-imperialist, anti-privilege, egalitarian and not just tolerant of other national cultural perspectives but see their existence as a good thing for world civilization.

It is word which is its own antonym.
 
 
# Haggistrap 2013-09-24 19:16
We have to bypass the MSM, we will not win them over before referendum day. As said elsewhere, TV and radio is the medium to reach people but they are not on our side and TV advertising is very expensive.

This leaves billboards, buses, internet & community to get our message out. The first two to advertise the basic message and web address & the internet to provide detail and passion, as on this website.

I cannot help feeling that the various organisations and websites promoting independence are not being co-ordinated which severely dilutes our message. Yes Scotland should sort this out.

To conclude, Yes Scotland may think they are doing well as a community based organisation but it is not being reflected in the results to-date.
 
 
# Coinneach 2013-09-24 19:42
Re John H_ and public/private schools.
On Sunday, after the rally, we took one of those bus sightseeing tours, and as we went out towards the botanic gardens, the commentator woman remarked that a full quarter of Edinburgh pupils went to private schools @ £20K a year for day pupils. She mentioned Blair, and I thought Hoy.
Many years ago, I phoned the Race Relations Agency about a skit on the BBC, anti-Scots, and was told that Scots were not a separate ethnic grouping, so push off.
 
 
# hetty 2013-09-24 21:46
Yes we are certainly up against what is incessant mythologising with a good helping of racism toward Scotland and the Scottish people coming from England. It's disgraceful and it's a challenge indeed to hold up the mirror to the people of Scotland, so that they begin to see the way that the msm, the politicians and much of the population in England actually view the people, and the political and cultural climate here in Scotland. We have certainly encountered sniggers when the subject of Independence came up when we were in the North East of England recently. They were pretty sure that our government are not effective in any way, where do they get this from? Well they read the so called newspapers (including the Guardian)and watch tv. The incident on 'Question time' a few months back was indicative of a very sinister and negative attitude when a whole tv audience in Cumbria laughed hysterically at a suggestion that 'nuclear waste be dumped in Scotland if they want Independence'.
 
 
# jdman 2013-09-25 05:02
That article by Simon Heffer was nothing more than clickbait by the Daily Mail and is not worth my precious breath to comment on it!
 
 
# Blanco 2013-09-25 07:20
The hatred we see and hear from English commentators is all part of a feeling of not being in control of the process. Do you remember the 80s and Thatcher? Quite a lot of anti English feeling in Scotland then. But it has pretty much vanished except in the imaginations of unionists now that we are in charge of our own destiny. What the English are feeling - and don't like - is something being done to them that they have no control over.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2013-09-25 07:54
I have difficulty understanding the
" bunch of scrounging ,drunken anti English ,fat ,diseased subsidy junkies living off your altruistic ,tolerant neighbour" against the " you are breaking up the UK ,destroying 300 years of wondrous union, all those wars we fought side by side ( just love Jock soldiers),unite d we stand ,divided we fall and you can't leave so just shut it!"

Cake and eat it stuff.
 
 
# Leader of the Pack 2013-09-25 09:05
Diabloandco

It makes perfect sense when you laugh at it! Obviously it doesn't when you don't.
 
 
# Abulhaq 2013-09-25 08:04
It's so simple, Scottish nationalism is internationalis t, aspirational, open to the future....British nationalism is old hat, race-superior imperialism, with a new touch of revanchism; a choice between the fresh and the tired. With friends like the Daily Mail BT need no enemies.
 
 
# clootie 2013-09-27 09:46
Why do some people have to put others down to elevate their own standing in this world.?

Is this a legacy of the class structure?

Will we only have the negative image of Scots being pushed in this debate. Will the real history of the contribution the Scots have made to the modern world be air brushed from history.
 
 
# ramstam 2013-09-27 23:49
The rally showed there is a full acceptance among YES of people from outside the country who have made their home here. My own father was born abroad and many Scots are from Asian,Irish,Ita lian,Polish or English origin. Ethnicity isn't the point,it's the kind of society we want that matters. Also we shouldn't let the media get to us. A YES will be won face to face,in the family and the workplace.
 

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