The Labour party in Scotland has been rocked after two of their councillors were suspended following allegations involving sexual harassment and benefit fraud.

Labour’s Glasgow councillor Gilbert Davidson has been arrested for alleged sexual harassment of a female colleague and a Labour councillor in Inverness, John Holden, has been charged with benefit fraud.

The new allegations come only days after it emerged that another Glasgow Labour councillor, Irfan Rabbani, had charged the public more than £900 for a mobile phone bill that included dozens of calls to a female community activist.

Gilbert Davidson faces claims that he sent lewd and offensive phone calls and text messages to former Lord Provost Liz Cameron.  The calls are reported to have taken place during a by-election in Drumchapel.

Mr Davidson was charged after Ms Cameron made a formal complaint to Strathclyde police, Davidson has now been suspended by the Glasgow Labour group.  It is believed that he was already under investigation after being accused of groping counterpart Ruth Black.

Gilbert Davidson becomes the latest Labour councillor to be suspended in Glasgow in recent months as the party have been hit by a series of drugs and corruption scandals.

Former Labour high flyer Stephen Purcell fled Scotland in disgrace after being visited by drugs police over his cocaine use whilst councillor Ruth Black was suspended in July after two council centres she ran up were left with debts totalling £344,000.

The SNP’s group leader Jim Dornan has demanded an independent audit into the goings on at the Labour controlled council.

Meanwhile in Inverness another Labour councillor has been charged following allegations of benefit fraud.

Councillor John Holden was investigated by police and the Department for Work and Pensions in 2008.  The councillor’s house was searched in October of that year and various items of property, including computer equipment and boxes of financial documents were seized in the operation which followed several weeks of surveillance.

It is understood the allegations against Mr Holden involve a whole range of state benefits, including disability payments, allegedly paid to the Labour Councillor dating back a number of years.  It is also believed Mr Holden's activities at a charity car boot sale based at the Highland Council headquarters car park are also under investigation.

The Crown Office has now charged the Labour councillor whose case will be heard at Inverness Sheriff Court next month.

These new revelations hit Labour only days after two of their MSPs faced strong criticism from political opponents and education groups.

Labour MSP Karen Whitefield faced calls to resign after it emerged she had acquired confidential information on local schoolchildren and had subesequently used taxpayer funded materials in order to send letters to the children.

On Monday the Labour MSP for Greenock, Duncan McNeil, was described by home education organisation Schoolhouse as a 'grave robber' after the Labour MSP tried to make political capital out of the deaths of the three Riggi children.

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Comments  

 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-11 09:12
From the

"Not seen in the Scottish MSM page"
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-11 09:28
Yes it looks like yet another Labour/media cover up! If the papers don't publish then labour remain whter than white!To their voting herds anyway!
I see Baillie is spouting off again in the papers at the SNP! Funny how she gets coverage and this doesn't!
I hope the SNP are planning to do something about this awful imbalance soon!
Otherwise, being in opposition will be in the offing!
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-11 09:29
..... but will these Labour people get away with it just like Steven Purcell?

You see that is the growing problem, it is perceived by the Scottish public that it really doesn't matter what Labour politicians say and do because they appear to be above the law of this land and not even publicly admonished.

Illegal donations, drug taking, associating with known criminals, lewd behaviour, breaches over confidential information on children, outrageous allegations and smears, benefit fraud, conducting fishing expeditions and witch-hunts, etc.

Labour acts and behaves like an anti-social family in your local housing scheme. Unfortunately the local scheme happens to be Scotland.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-11 09:35
Keep it up newsnet.

This is one of Labours biggest weaknesses and could turn into a vote winner for the SNP.

We are not getting these stories headlined in the Scottish MSM therefore we have to post these reports wherever we can and spread the news then joe public may see what is really going on.

If any members comes across a 'Labour Scandal' story in their area which is not reported in the MSM they should post it here, to inform.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2010-08-11 09:37
C'mon Ed you're making this up. If it had really happened the Scottish media would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Passerby hisses in Knollington's lug "It was LABOUR!"

Ah I see, that's different. As you were.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-11 09:38
I agree with all the above posts the problem we have is that we can't force Press and TV to give us fair reporting the only thing left is for us all to use our vote at the next election and vote SNP>
 
 
# flying haggis 2010-08-11 10:07
Or e-mail the article to 5 friends
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-11 09:38
Compare and contrast the behaviour of Labour politicians in Scotland to the great departed Jimmy Reid.

Jimmy's journey thru life from Communist-Labour-SNP describes the generational change in the way Scots viewed and acted over the decades, but, importantly, never lost his principles.

I will never forget his words;

"Nobody and nothing will come in and nothing will go out without our permission. And there will be no hooliganism, there will be no vandalism, there will be no bevvying because the world is watching us."

This was a man who genuinely wept at the way the Labour party became the ugly party.
 
 
# hektorsmum 2010-08-11 11:17
May I say how much I agree with you with regard to Jimmy Reid. I said to my Husband this morning that this was a man who loved Scotland and wanted the best for his people. We also noted that none of 'Scottish Labour' spoke this morning on the EBC, they had to go to Tony Benn for that.
Of course that will be because he went to the Dark Side.
Naturally nobody from the SNP was asked for a comment, but that was to be expected.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-11 12:46
I couldn't agree more.

Sadly the Labour party in Scotland has become the home of talentless, spineless greasy pole climbers who quite like the idea of an MSP's salary.
 
 
# Robabody 2010-08-11 12:55
Quoting Robert Louis:
I couldn't agree more.

Sadly the Labour party in Scotland has become the home of talentless, spineless greasy pole climbers who quite like the idea of an MSP's salary.


And everything else they can get their greedy snouts into including it's Buggins' turn to be your MP (great even more troughing and NO resposibility- superb)
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2010-08-11 09:39
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-11 10:16
A very good link! Thanks for that!Will post it to friends to spread the word!
 
 
# truth 2010-08-11 11:12
This is an anonymised version of the full blog which is posted under the name aangirfan.

I would be a little careful forwarding it on if the connection can be made.

The full blog is an extremely interesting read, but is full of (I might add sometimes plausible) conspiracy theories. The site is generally anti-zionist, and could be perceived as anti-semitic. It also seems pre-occupied with the elite and their alleged child abuse.

Like I say, it is a good read, but I would't forward it on to recent/prospective converts, else they may think nationalists are all nutters.
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2010-08-11 11:27
Agree with you there.
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-11 16:29
Have decided not to post on! Thanks for the advice!
 
 
# Richardmci 2010-08-11 10:00
www.bbc.co.uk/.../home_rule

Where have all the unionists gone?
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-11 10:30
Many thanks! Link forwarded to my mailing list!
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2010-08-11 10:49
"Where have all the unionists gone?"

Their arguments for staying in the union are either so weak or non existent that they're reduced to negging nationalist posts on Newsnet to pass the time!
 
 
# truth 2010-08-11 11:14
Yes, I propose we emulate the Daily Record (good God!) and only have the thumbs up option.

Good posts will clearly still stand out and those sad scared inadequate little unionist cowards may actually engage in debate.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2010-08-11 11:42
lol, phrases which fall into the "things I never thought I'd ever say except under torture" category.
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-11 13:18
Just being curious. Can the on line ed give a numerical indication of the TOTAL number of thumbs up / thumbs down posts for this article?
 
 
# truth 2010-08-11 18:35
No surprise the above post has been red thumbed.

Can on-line ed even comment of the thumbs down function can be disabled? If so we will stop asking for it.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-11 12:56
Yes indeed.

Can anyone point out when this 'debate' on the BBC website took place?

I've yet to hear a unionist tell me any real tangible advantages for Scotland by being in this union to England. The disadvantages are too numerous to list on one page.
 
 
# baudron 2010-08-11 21:56
voted on this left a comment and even added a mention of newsnetscotland dont know if it will get through tho
 
 
# loveme2times 2010-08-11 10:11
It has been reported in the un-scotsman.

A GLASGOW councillor has been arrested over claims he sent suggestive text messages to a female colleague.
Gilbert Davidson, who represents Glasgow's North East ward, was charged by police after a complaint was made by former Lord Provost Liz Cameron.

He has since been suspended from the ruling Labour group.

A police spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that a 67-year-old man has been arrested and charged with an alleged breach of the peace in connection with a police inquiry being carried out at Glasgow City Chambers and a report will be submitted to the procurator fiscal."

Labour said Mr Davidson had been suspended with immediate effect.

A spokesman said: "As a police investigation is now ongoing, it would be inappropriate to comment further."

The alleged offence reportedly took place after Mr Davidson and Ms Cameron campaigned together during a by-election in the Drumchapel area last year.

And the Herald

heraldscotland.com/.../...

Nothing about the benefit fraud mind you!!!
 
 
# john__ 2010-08-11 10:21
It was very noticable that the BBC report on the inverness councillor did not mention his political affiliations until this morning, when it mentionned that he was suspended from the labour party group in the council (the report was up yesterday). I had to do a google search on his name to find out which party he belonged to.

John
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-11 10:21
The Gilbert davidson & John Holden reports on the BBC.

You will notice that, as usual, no 'Labour' in the heading. The BBC did'nt even headline the John Holden story in their 'Highlands & Island section convenient eh!


bbc.co.uk/.../...
bbc.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# rgweir 2010-08-11 11:29
labour in scotland are in meltdown,but dont be surprised if they take control at holyrood next year.
the reason for this will be the media getting stuck into the snp with negative headlines and labour press releases printed as news.

if the snp dont grow a pair soon and get stuck into the print media and the bbc(labour spin machine)they could be out for at least eight years.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-11 11:32
Is there not another name missing a Mr Docherty,did the BBC hand over the documents or was it just like the other documents that BWB told us about but would no produce!see Brian we have not forgotten.
 
 
# Astonished 2010-08-11 12:27
I was reminded of Marshall Petain by the way Brian and the BBC have refused to acknowledge elmer lied.


We most certainly haven't forgotten. But thanks for remininding us ! :)
 
 
# truth 2010-08-11 11:39
The silence of the mainstream media could be their undoing.

I know if I was a Labour voter and found out just before an election that the Cardinal's comments were buried within hours, that alleged criminal activity of councillors and MSPs went unreported, that "Labour" is left out of all negative headlines, but added in all positive headlines, then I know I would feel cheated.

Maybe the SNP are playing the long game. Let all this evidence build up. Then, just before the election let the cat out the bag. That is when it will do the most damage.

In the meantime, we can as individuals work one by one on our colleagues, friends and associates.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-11 12:43
I really hope what you say comes true. Perhaps the SNP, are biding their time, playing the long game, let Iain Gray think he can walk it. Then bang! Out comes the truth.

Let's hope so.
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-11 16:34
My only question would be where will these revelations be made? As the press/media seem to be well and truly tied up by unionism/labour!
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-11 11:50
From the latest edition of the Scottish Left Review;

We have a Labour ‘movement’ in Scotland which deserve a rapid death. There can never have been a point in time when the Labour Party in Scotland was quite as dreadfully, pathetically pitiful. It has a leader that everyone knows is there on the basis of the ability to take instructions. Its loudest voice appears to have been given to a young careerist by the name of Richard Baker who has decided that self-righteous drivel about ‘knife crime’ and ‘soft on crime’ is how it is going to win in Scotland. It has a ‘health’ policy which would oppose Aspirin if the SNP supported it. This party has become a juvenile, reactionary, third-rate, witless and talentless sack of nonentities with no vision, no principles and nothing to say worth listening to. There are those who think that a decent leader would be all they need to ensure a win in the 2011 election. The fact that there is not a single candidate in the entire Parliamentary Party is telling. That the main choice of the ‘commentators’ was until recently Jim Murphy MP shows just how dislocated from reality the whole scene has become – when he was put head-to-head with someone other than the Daily Record and actual people (not the Daily Record version of ‘actual people’) were asked to rate him, only five per cent thought he was any good. And that’s their best hope? There are still good people in Labour, but they’ve largely given up.
 
 
# brusque 2010-08-11 12:04
Thanks for that Mac, it lifted my spirits no end to see how Labour (Northern Branch) are perceived by many more than just those of us who read and post regularly here.

If only it was possible to get it out to a wider readership.
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2010-08-11 11:57
I don't really bother with the Cal Merc any more as sadly it appears to be too much like the online "son of Hootsmon" but I like to catch up on Rab Mcneil's columns.

He's done a series on the Scottish Parliament and he was writing about Sean Connery's visit in 1999

"Handsome as a mature oak, he glad-handed the adoring crowds – at the back of which stood two Scottish Socialists bearing a big placard saying “Shcottish Shoshialisht” in mockery of Sean’s affected lisp – and fended off the usual question from the press: “Why don’t you live here?” How I wished he would answer: “Because it’s full of traitors like you.”

Well said that man.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-11 12:42
I agree with your comments on cal merc. It has become, 'son of Hootsmon'. I rarely read it at all now.

The only redeeming feature is Rab McNeil.
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-11 16:38
I'm exactly the same! Must be over a month ago I had a look and was a bit disappointed!
 
 
# CWHR 2010-08-11 17:06
Do not give up on the CalMerc too soon. Hamish MacDonnell has an article on the Glasgow city council scandals
.../analysis-what-on-earth-is-going-on-in-glasgow-council
 
 
# Astonished 2010-08-11 12:33
OK .. I'll bite - There is no such thing as Scottish labour.Tsk;Tsk;




There you are :- Newsnet has arrived! It has been criticized unfairly by a cybernat.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-11 12:40
I mus say, I'm starting to agree that the media does seem to be under the control of 'London spooks'.

I can see what the thought process from britannia HQ in London might be;

'How can we diminish the standing of the Scottish Parliament, so it no longer provides any threat???

Why don't we manipulate the media in Scotland, with promises of top jobs and peerages and so on, in order to convince the Scots that they need to elect Labour. We all know the Labour party in Scotland is full of halfwits, so, if we get Labour elected at Holyrood, they will make the Scottish Parliament look dim for us.

Not only that, they intend changing the name from Scottish Government to Scottish Executive, can you believe it?? Labour actually want to diminsh the status of Scotland!!'


You know, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but the more I see of what is being deliberately NOT reported in Scotland, and the bias of ALL the media, I cannot help but wonder what kind of a democracy we live in.

Labour are corrupt as corrupt can be, yet little of it is reported in the Newspapers or by the BBC.

There is almost a complete Scottish media blackout on Scottish oil, which is bizarre, since oil is Scotland's largest industry by a very large margin. The second largest oil producer in Europe, yet we see NO reports on this industry.

Instead as I think Mato21 pointed out, we get 'fat dugs and polar bear stories'

No, it is becoming clearer and clearer, that the Scottish media is being manipulated to ensure Labour win the next Holyrood elections. And don't be surprised if a few votes go 'missing' like they did in Glenrothes.

MI5 at their best.

The SNP need to, as others have said, document the facts, then tackle the media bias head on, hard, unrelenting. Bash, bash, bash. And never stop. They also need to stop answering questions, and do what Labour do - every question no matter what subject should be used to hammer Labour, highlight their corruption and misdeeds.

Otherwise, I do fear, Labour really will win in 2011, and that will be bad not just because I support the SNP, but because I genuinely think Labour in Holyrood are utter clowns who could not organise a p**** up in a brewery, never mind run Scotland.

They will bring shame to Scotland.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-11 12:54
It makes you wonder doesn't it? Here we are pretty much the biggest players in offshore deep sea drilling. With a wealth of experience in this regard. So much so that Scottish developed technology and expertise is used to prolong well life span (we are the experts at extracting every last drop) the world over. We have hundreds of specialist companies, many now with world presences.

How many of these companies were asked to offer opinion on the biggest news story of the year so far, the Gulf of Mexico oil spill? I don't remember seeing any.

This is appalling. Scottish media, be ashamed of yourself.
 
 
# G. P. Walrus 2010-08-11 13:35
Quote:
They also need to stop answering questions, and do what Labour do - every question no matter what subject should be used to hammer Labour, highlight their corruption and misdeeds.


I tend to think that emulating what Labour do would be counterproducti ve. The SNP are impressing the public with their competent, principled and common-sense approach to government. Who'd want to swap Alex salmond for Ian Gray? The same can be said all the way along the front benches. A good election poster for the SNP would be just to line up the faces on each side in a poster headed "The Choice".
I agree that the media bias is lamentable but are the people actually being fooled? I happened to overhear a mobile phone conversation of a Johnston Press employee (no idea who he was) talking to someone at the office on the train a few weeks ago. The topic was the massive cuts (50% !!!) in total spending that JP are going to have to introduce because of falling revenues. These revenues are falling because fewer and fewer people are buying the papers.

Also few people of my acquaintance are now listening to the BBC for serious news, aprticularly for Scotland. BBC Scotland news has become a sad joke. No-one I know can stand listening to Gary Robertson or Kay Adams. Brian Taylor has lost respect and seems to be fading into obscurity. He was totally sidelined at the UK election.

MI5 may well be attempting to control the Scottish media (the BBC in particular) but the tactics now being employed smack to me of desparation rather than powerful control. People can see through this stuff. In fact, relentless anti-SNP attack quickly comes to be perceived for what is is - relentless attack against Scottish interests.

I agree that it is up to all of us to keep spreading the word and putting up counter-arguments to lies and spin. I'd like to see a "Wonderwall" of Labour corruption stories on this or some other site - maybe a Facebook page?

But this is no time to change tactics for the SNP. They are the shining example in the UK of what good government is and as long as they stick to that they will reap the rewards.
 
 
# john__ 2010-08-11 14:34
Part of the problem is that the SNP are attracting the wrong sort of voter. Namely the educated ones who think and are interested. After all you have to be interested in politics to come across even the most basic SNP argument, as no outlet is highlighting them. The sad fact, however, is that this is not where the bulk of voters lie. Very few people are actively bothered with politics, even amongst the otherwise intelligent and well informed crowds. Your average voter appears to be more interested in reality TV or social websites than they are in who runs their country. as long as they have some money, and a TV showing their favourite mindless entertainment then they are happy. We cannot rely on these media outlets to forward our message.

The SNP need to get into the national conciousness (strange thing to have to say about a governing party). The only way can see this being done is by going out and engaging with people face to face, people who do not have the electronic means or the will to use it. Labour do this very well with their social clubs, marquee fundraising events, and dare I say it, sending letters to parents of kids. We don't have the resources to do this (and we have a hand tied behind our backs by our requirement to stay within the law), but where are labour getting the resources? they are bankrupt.

We need to have events where people who are not currently members of the party or sympathisers can come along. there should be no hard sell, just a low level precence of nationalist minded people ready to shoot down the usual guff that you hear from unionists. In each community there has to be local involvement in this. You can't just jump into a community and expect people to follow when they regard your very ideal as a dirty word.

This is basically what has been done in the online community, but it has to be replicated in the real world.

It will take time, but the result will be worth it.

John
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-11 15:42
Yes, maybe you are right, I was getting a bit carried away. I suppose the last thing the SNP need is to descend into the gutter with the likes of Baker or Kerr.


The real problem is that unionist nonsense is getting full total wall to wall coverage in the media, whereas the SNP and Scottish Government get none, unless it's negative.
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-11 12:41
From The blog of Cooncillor Laurie Bidwell

lauriebidwell.blogspot.com/.../...


Dismay at Rising Unemployment in Scotland


--a quotation from Andy Kerr


"Today’s figures highlight the fact that Scotland is suffering more in the recession due to the Salmond Slump.

Words fail me or nearly

FFS, no mention of the Brown Bollox up
 
 
# truth 2010-08-11 13:01
First Ministers:
Dewar Doldrums
McLeish Maelstrom
McConnell Mire

Opposition:
Alexander Armageddon
Gray ? (Now I know why they chose him. There is no illiterative synonym for Gray!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-11 13:12
Shoite?
 
 
# Teri 2010-08-11 14:43
How about Gutless Gray?
 
 
# west_lothian_questioner 2010-08-11 16:14
Grey: God help us!
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-11 13:11
The BBC Scotland lunchtime news was very nuanced in its reporting of the employment figures, whilst the main news quoted a 0.2% rise*. It seems that 0.2% wasn't 'massive' enough for BBC Scotland.

Kerr is so superficial. How the h*ll is Scotland going to survive if he ever gets to be Finance Minister?

* Employment figures described again on the national news bulletin a few minutes ago at 8pm as "...except for a slight rise in Scotland."
 
 
# jasp303 2010-08-11 13:27
Salmond Slump = Gray Guff

That's all it is. Guff. Time to hammer this line home.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-11 12:50
Sorry and off topic but this from the Guardian,


The US senators Robert Menendez, Kirsten Gillibrand, Frank Lautenberg and Charles Schumer wrote: "We understand that an extensive medical record was used as the basis of the decision to release Mr al-Megrahi, but only one three-page medical document with redactions has been released by the Scottish government.

"Independent examination of Mr al-Megrahi's complete medical record is necessary in order to understand the circumstances surrounding his compassionate release


In their letter the US senators said: "It is clear that there was no consensus among specialists treating al-Megrahi's prostate cancer that he had only three months to live.

"The lack of consensus and clarity from any of the specialists involved is very troubling, especially the lack of confidence on the part of the treating oncologist, who was the most qualified to assess the worsening of Mr al-Megrahi's condition."
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-11 13:04
Once again it seems that the BBC Scotland's paraphrasing of the Labour Party have sponsored a reaction from the Senators by quoting Labour asking for disclosure of the medical evidence.
 
 
# springy 2010-08-11 13:06
These four idiots though Prof Sikora supplied the medical evidence. Everyone with the exception of Scottish Unionists and the UK newspapers is ignoring the rants from these four.

It will of course be headlined by the usual suspects as 'SNP under pressure' or 'Labour/senators demand release of blah, blah blah'.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-11 13:01
Well the Record did report the 'cooncillor' stories.

One of these was right up their street in its content, although I suppose I shouldn't complain as it's adverse publicity for Labour.

The 'paper couldn't really avoid mentioning that the Glasgow councillor had been suspended by the Labour party but they didn't mention that the Inverness Councillor was also Labour. In fact they only referred to the council as a Highland council so readers would be left guessing.

There should have been a big headline embazoned across the top of the page saying: LABOUR'S SHAME.
 
 
# Teri 2010-08-11 13:02
'Scottish Labour rocked by councillor sex and fraud allegations' states the headline. Is that not a bit of an exaggeration? Not even a gale force wind would rock Scottish Labour. The party has not blinked an eye at any of this year's scandals, indeed it has welcomed some back into the fold with open arms. That's what happens when you have no moral standards.

I don't even know if this has rocked the rest of us. It is now very much what we expect of Scottish Labour.
 
 
# springy 2010-08-11 13:09
You can bet your bottom dollar that they have blinked and that Mr McNeil has been spoken to along with other journalists to make sure the worst aspects of these stories wasn't headlined.

Just because the media don't report it doesen't mean that Labour don't feel the pressure. Why do you think Gray has disappeared these last fsix weeks?
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-11 13:10
I'd be cautious about any hint that Labour is in meltdown in Scotland.

If both councillors are found guilty, then the respective SNP branches need to highlight this to the voters in their areas.

But make damn sure that their own party members maintain their discipline, since we all know by now how the media would react.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-11 16:07
Scottish voters were told by Labour if they voted for them they would avoid a Tory government. It didn't work out that way. Now they are being told that Labour can handle the economy in Scotland better than the SNP. Will the voters be taken in again? How many slaps in the face do they need to wake up to the fact the Labour is not good for Scotland.

On another point I have seen many good regular letters in the Herald by two correspondents one is a Mr I A D Mann, can't remember the other for the moment, but it seems that there are now some people writing in to undermine everything these two say. It looks like an orchestrated effort by Labour.
 
 
# Robabody 2010-08-11 13:14
"Otherwise, I do fear, Labour really will win in 2011, and that will be bad not just because I support the SNP, but because I genuinely think Labour in Holyrood are utter clowns who could not organise a p**** up in a brewery, never mind run Scotland.

They will bring shame to Scotland."

Keep calm guys, it might not be a bad thing for labour to scrape in and have to live and with the Brown Bollox (sorry recession). Then it'll be them put to the sword by having to manage the handout ( sorry block grant) and make the tough decisions. I'm prepared to bet that Elmer and Co would be delighted by an SNP win, four more years of irresponsible whinging, granstanding and no responsibility - sounds great!
 
 
# john__ 2010-08-11 14:08
I would never wish the current labour party on anyone, let alone myself. It would be a diseaster if labour got in full stop. they are trought feeding incompetents.

The sooner we get away from the idea that it might be "not bad" for labour to have to clear up their own mess the better. The only party I trust to clear up the mess is the current administration, as they will do it with the best interests of Scotland at heart.

Think about it, there have been recessions before caused by both labour and the tories. In every case it has been one of these parties that was tasked with clearing up the mess. Throughout these recessions, the only common denominator is that the clearup has been done with the interests of "britain" at heart, and the nett result has been that Scotland has suffered.

John
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-11 14:34
Better for the SNP to lose next year?

Could be an interesting debate!!
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 13:19
Taken from the comments on Rabs parliament article

img24.imageshack.us/.../...
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-11 13:23
I just sent this link to a few of my friends, also David Maddox and Iain Gray.
In case they dont hear about it of course.
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 13:34
1scot
Good idea shows what is thought of us and our Parliament by the unionists.You know us who have all that oil swilling around keeping them afloat
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-11 13:51
I have sent the link to 38Degrees who would like to run a campaign on it. What does the online editor think.
 
 
# Marian 2010-08-11 14:45
There is clearly no depth into which the Labour party in Scotland will not plunge judging by this latest tawdry affair.

Not content with being the smear and lying party, they also want to be known as the sex and drugs party.
 
 
# wee folding bike 2010-08-11 16:26
The odd time I've seen Mr Salmond look like he has been wrong footed it was because Labour came out with accusations so low and obviously ridiculous that no normal person would come up with it.

This would have been in the early days of the SNP government. He seems ready for them now.
 
 
# Teri 2010-08-11 18:21
Smears, fears, thugs and drugs, vote Labour.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-11 15:56
A " Good Heavens! " alert.

Caledonian Mercury has an article on GCC by Mr Macdonnell.
He appears astonished at the levels of corruption and scandal emanating from Georgs Square.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-11 19:12
Well he should be! Why has it taken him so long for realisation to set in?

What I can't understand is that so-called upstanding members of the community can turn a blind eye to what is happening in order to return the Labour party to power. By doing so they tar themselves with the same brush as the people they rush to support.
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 16:44
wee-folding bike
Went on to Ms Whitefields web page just out of interest I like the way you seem to rattle her cage.Has she been on a bus yet?
 
 
# wee folding bike 2010-08-11 17:25
I haven't seen her on a bus.

She doesn't usually allow my comments through anymore.

I'm still waiting for her to tell me why the Union is good for Scotland.
 
 
# 1scot4scotland 2010-08-11 17:18
Scotland- The Time Has Come!
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 17:52
wee folding bike
I do not know the area or I would be tempted to take up the cudgel on your behalf.I will watch out though for pronouncements from her that is of interest A good brisk walk would be beneficial as opposed to a bus trip
 
 
# MartinOfBothwell 2010-08-11 18:06
Let's found our own Think Tank and start looking at ways we can hold the media to account and improve the way it serves the people of Scotland.
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-11 21:51
Quoting MartinOfBothwel l:
Let's found our own Think Tank and start looking at ways we can hold the media to account and improve the way it serves the people of Scotland.


Absolutely spot on!
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 18:28
M of B
Emailing has no effect but on another subject 1scot mentioned 38degrees I had never heard of this and had a look.Someone has suggested they look into the Scottish media.Now I do not know if a number of people requested this if it would stimulate their interest Maybe you or others know how this site works
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-11 21:59
Quoting mato21:
M of B
Emailing has no effect but on another subject 1scot mentioned 38degrees I had never heard of this and had a look.Someone has suggested they look into the Scottish media.Now I do not know if a number of people requested this if it would stimulate their interest Maybe you or others know how this site works


I suspect that there are a number of readers who are thinking the following. "What is 38 degrees"? Maybe I am missing the obvious? Can you give a wee bit more information?
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-11 19:37
Mato21,
I contacted them and filled the relevant forms asking them to look into the machinations of the Scottish media, including the BBC. They are carrying out a campaign on behalf of the BBC at the moment, so I reminded them of the lack of support they can expect to receive from north of the border on the beebs defence. Hopefully this will entice them to do an investigation.
It would do no harm if a few more people did the same. They are easily found on Google.
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-11 19:40
Did I miss this story on the 6.30 scottish news. Thought not. I sent a copy of the story to The daily record just in case they had missed it. They do ask on their web-site to contact them if you have a story!
I wont hold my breath...
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-11 22:12
Truth

Do you think that any of the "Red thumbs down" group / organisation will post a comment, rather than just pressing the red button.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-12 00:25
If the red button is taken away then the only option they have is to post comments and then vote their own comments up.

Otherwise, they will leave.

I want dissenting voices for debate's sake. I don't want cowardly wee nyaffs pressing red thumbs and running.
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 22:15
george davie
Put 38degrees into google, it is a non political group which appears to take up causes I haven't had time to explore it properly but it may be worth considering though as 1scot says they have a petition going just now concerning the BBC so another may not resonate at this time
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-11 22:26
Quoting mato21:
George Davie
Put 38degrees into google, it is a non political group which appears to take up causes I haven't had time to explore it properly but it may be worth considering though as 1scot says they have a petition going just now concerning the BBC so another may not resonate at this time


Hi Mato,
On the contrary, they are trying to drum up support for the BBC, and I pointed out that they would receive a better support from Scotland if the BBc started broadcasting the truth.
They cover 2 or 3 different topics at a time. They have thousands of members.
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-11 22:34
iscot
Sorry if I've misunderstood I did not appreciate that it would not be a completely separate petition as I said I have only had a quick look at it
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-11 23:13
1scot, mato21 and others.

I have read your posts on how to try and fight back at the biased press.

May I make a suggestion or two.

What if we had a Letter Campaign....
Hear me out.

What good is this if they will not listen, I hear you ask!

Well you are right in some respects and wrong in some other respects!

What options do we have?

Write on this website and others, about the wrongs that are going on in the media?
The press won't care what we write here, we can do that until the cows come home they still won't care.

We can write and complain, as an individual?
They will just ignore that.

But what if we all write, individually, to the BBC en mass? If they had a few hundred or maybe a thousand or so letters, then I think they will take a bit more notice and this may jolt them a little, after all as a collective we are considered as a pressure group.
This may make them look inwards a little, in the run up to the Scottish elections and every little helps. Remember also, they're under a fair amount of pressure at the moment from other pressure groups.

As for The Record, Scotsman etc. this campaign would be no good I agree, but and this is a big but, what if we went over their heads and targeted their main sponsors/advertisers for a letter campaign (one at a time) and told them that we are boycotting their goods because they are advertising in a newspaper that is effictively anti Scottish (my opinion) or does not allow free and accurate speech.
Remember newspapers mostly rely on advertising revenue, not the revenue on the price of the paper.
They will listen if their sponsors/advertisers highlight a problem because advertising is their main income revenue.
These type of campaigns can and have been very effective in other countries.

Or we can just talk until we are blue in the face!

What do you all think?
Would this be an affective campaign or just pie in the sky?
I would like to hear from other members on their thoughts on this.

This maybe a bit late in the night to post this to get a good idea of people's thoughts. So I may post this another time, maybe on another thread, if no one minds.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-12 00:33
I'd be up for sending off a few letters. Unfortunately my personal life will be very busy over the next 6 to 8 weeks, so I can't be involved in the organisation.

I suggest you start something over on the forum section.

Just for extra incentive for people. The BBC trust has to record data on complaints received in it's annual report.

We need to be active people. We need to do our bit!
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-12 07:29
Great idea.
 
 
# john__ 2010-08-12 07:57
Rather than writing to the BBC, why not write to the press complaints commission about specific programmes (or Ofcom). If we manage to get enough people to do it then this may be a more fruitful avenue.

You fairly often hear about complaints being upheld.

John
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-12 10:44
Truth,

Probably most of us will be busy at some time.
I had in mind everyone preparing for this campaign in a few months time. To maximise full effect (keeping them on the back foot)up to the Scottish elections.
I even think that sending before Christmas might be a bit early as most people, uncluding the press, start afresh after the new year. maybe a good idea to send before the new year and after.

John,

Good idea! let's send (same letter cc) to OFCOM, press complaints commission as well as the guilty parties
 
 
# truth 2010-08-12 19:25
The only problem with delay is that it takes time for these things to be heard and results to come out.

The establishment have been shown to delay and delay long enough for significant deadlines. Look in England where they took so long to deliberate over the death of Mr Tomlinson(?) that the family could no longer push for a criminal prosecution.

I do agree that preparation is key and that takes time.
 
 
# hektorsmum 2010-08-12 17:33
Just thought I would mention that I made a comment on the Cal Merc just now regarding the fact that Labour are protected by the media and guess what, it is being moderated. Ho Hum.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-12 19:27
It doesn't matter hektorsmum.

You took action, therefore you are one of Scotland's heros.

One day that comment will get published. When the flood of comments becomes too great the moderator will think "they can't all be wrong, can they?"

Good for you!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-12 06:40
I a afraid that I have given up on the Caledonian Mercury.

I do not know if they use the same censors as The Scotsman, the same red list as The Scotsman or the same screening software as the BBC.

I had hope for the Cal Merc but maybe a leopard really cannot change its spots.

Shame though, an opportunity lost.

I wonder if he has a sponsor?
 
 
# Don’t you hate the SNP 2010-08-12 08:19
Quoting Bugger the Panda:
I a afraid that I have given up on the Caledonian Mercury.

I do not know if they use the same censors as The Scotsman, the same red list as The Scotsman or the same screening software as the BBC.

I had hope for the Cal Merc but maybe a leopard really cannot change its spots.

Shame though, an opportunity lost.

I wonder if he has a sponsor?



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# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-12 08:36
Quoting Don’t you hate the SNP:
Quoting Bugger the Panda:
I a afraid that I have given up on the Caledonian Mercury.

I do not know if they use the same censors as The Scotsman, the same red list as The Scotsman or the same screening software as the BBC.

I had hope for the Cal Merc but maybe a leopard really cannot change its spots.

Shame though, an opportunity lost.

I wonder if he has a sponsor?



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I didn't do nay on the above

What I did say, I paraphrase, is a that corruption and the Labour Party WC Scotland franchise have always been associated with self serving corruption.

The main difference today is that it now has a new leg, a connection to organised criminality.Then I said the the WC Scotland Labour franchise has uch in common with the RC Church in that they both believe that laws are only for us and they are by divine right above them.


As I said, I paraphrase but that is the gist and no swearing as well.

I have been thrown out of better bars
 
 
# hektorsmum 2010-08-12 17:35
I must have done something wrong, like told Hamish he has done very well but to go and have a lie down now. Sorry
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-12 09:08
Alx1
Positive ideas I have always found writing to companies got a response,be it to complain or praise.I'm not sure if offcom and the BBC deal with individual complaints against the BBC but we can look that up or there are many on site who are really good on these things I'm sure they'll be able to tell us.Lets try at least and see if we can get some support. Thanks
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-12 11:00
Quoting mato21:
Alx1
Positive ideas I have always found writing to companies got a response,be it to complain or praise.I'm not sure if offcom and the BBC deal with individual complaints against the BBC but we can look that up or there are many on site who are really good on these things I'm sure they'll be able to tell us.Lets try at least and see if we can get some support. Thanks


As I said before we can talk/moan ( I know it's good to get rid of the frustration) about the press forever in these forums, but they (press) will not take a blind bit of notice.
My feeling is, that it will not completely stop their biased reporting, but it will go someway in trying to temper their feverish anti SNP rants, especily if there is someone watching over their shoulder like OFCOM or Press complaints commission or even their advertisers!
Agree with you, you do get a positive feedback from companies, specialy when you say that their product is of excellent quality, but you don't want to buy it anymore, because of the reasons I gave before.
You know what I mean!!!!!!
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-12 19:02
Ofcom and the PCC are fairly weak. Pne problem the SNP has it must be careful how it complains, as that could end up being counter productive. And they need to learn their lesson from the court case against the BBC last year. The case was well put, the leaders were being mature and calm etc etc. Then they blew the whole thing by handing out the gimmicks in the form of test cards. I'd love to know who came up with that idea, because that is what most people remembered!! Stupid, amateurish stunts like that we can do without.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-12 19:16
Without an hint of a lie, I was completely unaware of this stunt. Honestly I was.

And without being too big headed either, if I was unaware, I'm pretty sure most others are.

Was there much coverage of it?

Edit: I went away and looked it up. I had totally forgotten about it!!!

Nah, I don't think it stuck in anyones mind, and that is good enough reason to criticise it. If it's not going to stick in the mind, don't do it.
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-12 20:35
It happened immediately after the court case. The SNP were expecting to lose anyway, and someone had this bright idea.

OK, it's mainly gone from the memories of most, but if it is repeated guaranteed someone in Labour will bring it up - or the media will.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-12 20:06
enneffess 2010-08-12 19:02

''Ofcom and the PCC are fairly weak. Pne problem the SNP has it must be careful how it complains, as that could end up being counter productive''

It's not the SNP that's doing it. It is the public who pays the licence fee, us.


truth 2010-08-12 19:16

''Without an hint of a lie, I was completely unaware of this stunt. Honestly I was''

You probably heard of many stunts like this without realising it.

Why do you think that several supermarkets mostly source many products from 'ethical' sources now! Tea, Coffee, poultry etc. To name but a few.
Supermarkets were under pressure from a veriety of presssure groups, some small and some large.
These groups made them change by asking consumers to boycott certain brands and the supermarkets did not want the bad publicity.

Btw it wasn't a combined effort by the groups.
 

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